The Second Studio (formerly The Midnight Charette) is an explicit podcast about design, architecture, and the everyday. Hosted by Architects David Lee and Marina Bourderonnet, it features different creative professionals in unscripted conversations that allow for thoughtful takes and personal discussions.
A variety of subjects are covered with honesty and humor: some episodes are interviews, while others are tips for fellow designers, reviews of buildings and other projects, or casual explorations of everyday life and design. The Second Studio is also available on iTunes, Spotify, and YouTube.
This week David and Marina are joined by Marion Weiss, architect and co-founder of Weiss/Manfredi. Marion discusses her childhood interests in the arts, architecture, and landscape design, how her office was formed and its design process, working with clients on large cultural projects, how architecture can have a social impact beyond its physical footprint, and more. Enjoy!
Highlights & Timestamps
Marion Weiss discusses her upbringing and early interest in piano performance, theater, and cross-country running and how she first became interested in landscape design during her runs in high school. Marion also discusses her interest in making dollhouses as a child. (00:00)
The dolls were a vehicle for these dollhouses. I had seen a publication of Habitat ‘67 and was just totally astounded by the idea that all these boxes could be piled together to create different indoor spaces, outdoor spaces, different silhouettes and so I started building a series of boxes, actually using cardboard boxes from the grocery store, cutting them up with a steak knife, covering them with contact paper, designing furniture, you know, turning tomato baskets into bunk beds. All the ad hoc use of one thing, making it another. What was interesting is you could make them a tower one day, you could make courtyards, you could make a courtyard with a tower, you could make them a bridge. They were quite pliable and amazing and each kind of new relationship set up the desire to make new kinds of furnishings and exterior stairs and decks. […] So these were vehicles, they were, in retrospect, proto-vehicles for thinking about form and architecture. And yet they, there was no pressure, but there was an obsession to really turn one thing into another. (05:28)
Marion discusses the two-year gap she took between undergraduate and graduate school to work in architecture and her realization that architecture is slow compared to school. Marion talks about revamping her undergraduate projects after graduation.
I knew that I wasn't quite ready to go to graduate school. Among other things, I wanted to redo my portfolio. I was disappointed with what I produced in [undergraduate] school and decided I was going to redo every project I ever did in school and show a before and after. Because I felt like it took the last year of school to pull everything together. And none of the projects quite captured what I would've done had I known more. [For feedback] I had neighbors across the hallway. My parents were really nice. Nobody knew anything about architecture, but I'd just ask anybody… I’d pin up two things and say, which one do you think is better? I just created a form for a conversation. Because it was all happening in my apartment, after work, I could only pin-up on my apartment walls. But it was kind of a fun hobby. There was no pressure. There was no deadline. I had time. (12:55)
Marion discusses meeting Michael Manfredi and how their office started. (17:37)
We grew very organically. I know, after we won the competition, we thought, "Wow. This is fantastic. The phone will ring off the hook." And of course, it was dead silence. We were certainly counting on our teaching incomes and the few folks who we were able to bring on to work on the project. We sublet space from our friend, the graphic designer. We had two desks in the office. At our first Christmas party, I brought my sister so there could be four of us. (29:02)
Marion discusses how Weiss/Manfredi gets projects and how competition work is important to their office. (31:50)
Marion discusses architectural style, process, and how they relate to their work. (35:12)
For us, it begins with a broad tool chest, if you will, from research model, building, reading, drawing. In a sense, it's a pretty panoramic set of things that we're doing simultaneously and we're also postponing conclusions as long as possible so that it can bear the fruits of all these stray electrons of information of research and intuitive work. […] So is there any technique or thing that we do? I couldn't say that, other than somehow, it's all of it all at once that allows you to kind of pull away all the extra bits and figure out what endures with every exploration as being essential. (35:36)
Marion discusses how they create architecture that responsive to its site, but also distinctive. (40:55)
The idea of form has to have agency at multiple levels. I think we actually believe that architecture should have some legibility and the agency of form is a powerful one because it, in many ways, identifies the significance of a building, the invitation of it, its silhouette, its arrival on a site and yet I think what we're very interested in is that lateral terrain, that open-ended question about where the project stops and starts. We tend to find ourselves actually moving beyond the project boundary sometimes to make sense of a site and to make sense of a building on that site. So we often give as much measure and architecture, if you will, to the site, as we do to the building itself, which is why its legibility in some ways almost emerges like a series of waves welling up into something that finally has some super legibility at the moment where the program is really central to the brief. (40:55)
Marion answers if they would be interested in designing a tower or a super-tall. (43:15)
Marion discusses the challenges with doing large buildings, using physical models in their office design process, and working with clients and dealing with differing agendas. (52:08)
Marion discusses the differences and delineations between architecture, landscape architecture, and urban design. (55:49)
Marion shares the most rewarding part of being an architect, how her view of educational buildings has changed since COVID-19, and why efficiency in design is not always the best (01:02:30)
I think the most rewarding part of it is the moment when it's realized, and it's no longer yours and completely used by people in ways you never expected. I mean, that's... that's as good as it gets. (01:02:30)
Marion talks about the most important mindset an architect must have. (01:10:58)
Marion talks about the future of architecture and what is the greatest challenge it faces. (01:20:43)
One of the biggest challenges I see is that there is an increasing desire to consolidate risk by institutions who are now leaning towards project delivery typologies that are biased towards building first and thinking about design second, because it minimizes risk and the desire to put the designer under contract to the contractor is something that many institutions are looking at as a way to mitigate their risk and consolidate their obligations of communication. I do think that there can be some fantastic outcomes from this if you've got the right client and the right contractor, but the diminishment of the appreciation of the benefit that design offers I think is a little bit of a risk as people become fearful about their resources.
So that's one, I think the other is that the enormous ventilation of media that are showing one extraordinary vision after another has created almost a numbing of what's excellent and what's interesting because there's so much of it around us. So I think that sometimes the focus of concentration that we all need to bring to our work so that we don't repeat the things that are in our peripheral view... That the level of distraction is greater than ever. (01:20:43)
Marion discusses the value of design. (01:32:36)
You could spend 30% less and with good design, do something that's 200% better. Yet I think there's a lot of, if you will, inexperience to understand the value of what that might be, and that's something that maybe our field needs to do a lot better work at conveying that value. And that value is not just tied to the style or the expression of something, but its true value in terms of the insight that designers can bring to the addressing of the questions, the addressing of the complexity, and reducing the complexity at some times and answering fewer questions to be able to do something better. (01:32:36)