Hanging Hotel: A Suspended Campsite for Climbers / Dr. Margot Krasojevic

no climber will want to go rest in some ‘science – fictional design hotel’ … that defeats the idea of climbing !!!

Mount this at grade and I am THERE!

As a grade 5.10 climber I think this project is amazing.the design is a climbing frame accommodating portals she’s,brilliant stuff!

Thoroughly ashamed! (what we talking about again?whatever it is I want in)

As a climber I think this is a horrible idea. Defacing one of the world’s most incredible natural rock faces to put a “hotel” on it?! That’s absurd. “Any climber would welcome it” stj, are you sure about that? Maybe if it was part of some elaborate artificial wall, but not if it means ruining the natural routes that exist there, and forever changing the environment by drilling a foundation into the granite! Ever heard of “Leave No Trace”, something real climbers care a lot about. She may be a brilliant architect, but I can’t focus on how innovative the design, or the architects ability to push the boundaries of form might be, because the whole idea of it literally makes me cringe. It would have made a lot of sense for the architect to consult with the local climbing community before developing a concept like this (that’s said to be “catering to rock climbers”!), as she would have learned that any real climber would be outraged by it.

I Think this project emphasises the precipitous nature of the site in a dramatic manner, sometimes being polite in such an environment just doesn’t work which is why I like this. Great stuff! Artificial and natural neither sedate or subservient.

“perfect narrative of a rock climbers dream resting spot”? How do you know that? Are you are rock climber in the Verdon or a climber at all? If not, that’s a very arrogant statement to make. Not matter how “brilliant” or “bold” the design may be, its a terrible idea if it goes against everything the community that will use it stands for. Cultural relevance should be at least equally important to interesting, innovative design!

Are you serious or is this a a joke?
First rule of any successful project is KNOW your target market.
OBVI- You do not know “jack” about climbers.
Build it …they will not come.

PS I have been climbing for 20 yrs and know what I am talking about

BM said it best!

Richard: I know the community was not involved because I know the community, and I know that any serious climbers would be against defacing a world-class climbing destination such as Gorges du Verdon. Also the architect claims that this will “cater to climbers” which is wrong (and rather arrogant), and is a clear indication that she doesn’t know anything about climbers. Maybe this is relevant to some designers and architects who are concerned with digital parameters that explore the psychological effects of architecture, which is all fine, but if it’s not relevant to the actually culture that exists there, then it’s a huge miss. You say there is no such thing as cultural relevance anymore? I think it’s maybe more important today than ever before. I think you have missed the point – the rock face and the nearest village being 30 miles away really has nothing to do with the people (climbers) who use the wall, nor the principal of leave no trace, and I don’t think Lac de Sainte-Croix has anything to do with cultural relevance.

This is what I mean by cultural relevance: It is not relevant to the culture that exists in the location that the concept is being proposed. From Wiki “…how well a given idea, or the presentation of such an idea, speaks to a given group of people. An idea or a presentation that is cultural relevant will be better received and understood than one that is not.” It’s not enough for a design to be cool, to be bold or new, it also has to be relevant. Imagine building a “hanging hotel” on El Capitan in Yosemite – the climbing community would be outraged! Or a proposal to build a giant structure in the middle of Central Park – the New Yorkers who use that park on the weekend would be up in arms! This type of design to me is absent minded when it come to a sense of place. I know this concept will never be built, I just think you have failed to consider a very fundamental principle of design. When a design so greatly impacts a communities livelihood, step number one must be “know who you are designing for”.

Also, read some of the comments above” BlogHouse says: “Rock climbing should leave as little traces behind as possible. By excavating the rock this project proposes exactly the opposite. It’s more a pollution (visual too) than anything else.” Max says: “no climber will want to go rest in some ‘science – fictional design hotel’ … that defeats the idea of climbing !!!”

我喜欢这个设计,或许会有很多人有不同想法,但不管什么原因,这个建筑,已体现了设计者对设计完美理解.
还想说的任何完美建筑都存在争议!

So many bitter comments? I know architecture is a competitive business but no other creative profession is so aggressive and rude. Absolutely no encouragement or conversation, constructive criticism or civilised exchange of views, so very sad.

Or are these comments by frustrated ex employees who just lack initiative and enthusiasm to dedicate to design.
Jealousy only too easily replaces creativity: if you lack talent then just post some disgraceful comments in the hope that it will make you feel better. Absolutely shameful!