Malaysia Pavilion for Shanghai World Expo 2010
Construction for the Malaysia Pavilion for Shanghai World Expo began a couple of weeks ago. The 3,000-square-meter pavilion will be like a traditional and high Malaysian hut. The facade of the pavilion will be made from a combination of palm oil and plastic, which will be recycled for other constructions after Expo.
The country will showcase its natural landscape and the solidarity of its different ethnic groups with the theme “One Malaysia — City Harmonious Living.” Malaysia has 47 ethnic groups, who live comfortably together in urban and rural areas. The country would highlight the harmonious conditions and interactivity between cities and villages, Malaysian Tourism Minister Ng Yen Yen said.
Visitors will be able to pitch and putt at an indoor golf area in the two-story pavilion. The pavilion would hold lucky draws on key days during the Expo, such as August 31, Malaysia’s national day, and May 31 when China and Malaysia set up diplomatic relationships, Ng said.
More images and a video after the break.
Hi Malaysian,
Dengan sukacitanya saya ingin memaklumkan kepada kerajaan malaysia setingi tiggi terima kasih kerana mempromosikan rumah MINANGKABAU (asal dari Indonesia)… Read More
di World Expo China 2010 di tapak kepunyaan Malaysia.
Dengan itu saya turut berterima kasih kepada Dr Ng Yen Yen kerana mempromosikan budaya Indonesia(MINANGKABAU) di negara China .
Oleh yang demikian, Indonesia tidak akan membelanja dalam World Expo ini kerana Malaysia dengan sebesar hatinya menderma 19 juta untuk mempromosikan Indonesia pavilion.
Bah kata ….ini semua memanfaatkan seluruh asia
…design dari china, pelarasan dari Taiwan,dibina oleh China,dibayar oleh Malaysia dan manfaat kepada Indonesia.SYABAS MALAYSIA!
SYABAS INDOMAS!
Sekian terima kasih,
MINANGKABAU INDONESIA
….a comment found from the link below “http://weechookeong.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/the-minister-of-tourism-why-venturepharm-asia-sdn-bhd-so-special/”
you will be wiser to translate this to english on an international english forum, if not, everyone will just ignore your comment.
see comment below about indonesia and malaysia. same point
well mr indo_mas..that design actually it is not come from rumah gadang “minangkabau”at all..you should be careful before making the statement..
melayu or malay as well is not about the nation between indonesia and malaysia at all..
all i can say that that pavilion design come from the traditional house of malay people,
you can search at google with “rumah lontiak”that also can be find in riau(indonesia) as well.it means “lentik”in indonesian then you’ll know what’s the diffrent with the malaysian pavilion design,it’s has “selembayung” at the top of the roof,well all i can say that it is so diffrent from traditional house of minang kabau from indonesia..
Just copy pasted from wikipedia:
Malaysia
The Malaysia Pavilion.Malaysia’s low tech pavilion showcases rural building with Minangkabau’s “Rumah Gadang” architecture. After the Expo, the pavilion is to be donated to the county of Wuxi in the People’s Republic of China. Controversies have perhaps ensued as the pavilion boasts a miniature indoor golf course which has nothing to do with Malaysian culture as well as the Minangkabau’s building style which originates from Indonesia.[40]
Many locals are not very proud of the designs as they see it as backward-looking instead of embracing the future when the rest of the world is doing so.[41]
The Malaysia Minister of Tourism is seen by some as having given up on showcasing Malaysian technology as she said although Malaysia could not compete with developed countries like Germany and Switzerland in terms of technology, Malaysia had its uniquity of being multi-racial and multi-cultural.[42]
[edit] Malta
Looks like a US I-95 Mahi Mahi restaurant, or worst a pop glossy version of traditional representation…You choose.
HERE GOES AGAIN…. THE INDONESIA WANNABE!!! CHECK OUT THE VIDEO AND LISTEN CAREFULLY AT THE 0:17, they said: “INSPIRED BY MINANGKABAU TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE…??????????”
STOP STEALING OUR CULTURE!!!!! MINANGKABAU IS THE AUTHENTIC CULTURE OF INDONESIA, IT’S FROM WEST SUMATRA.
WHAT NEXT MALAYSIA?? I WAS COOL AT FIRST WHEN YOU STEALING OUR BATIK AND TRADITIONAL DANCE…. AND NOW OUR ARCHITECTURE!!!!!
i think it would be inappropriate to say “steal” someone’s culture. after all the south east asian countries all started from the MALAY race. including Indonesia and Malaysia.
steal is the negative word but according to the statement that the pavillion is adapted from Minangkabau Architecture which is it obvious not originally Malaysian Traditional Architecture, extremely they copied the rooftop without any concern of traditional architeckture code itself. Did they put their own origin architecture traditional is more better than adapt from another country? That the consequences somebody can say steal.
malaysia also d same continent with indonesia b4, after all, malaysia do appreaciate gadang house, gonjong roof rather than indonesia, right? indonesia descendant was shipping to negeri sembilan, malaysia, n influence malaysian architecture here~
this building shows us that malaysia doesn’t have any good sense of their local architecture. this pavilion was adopted from minangkabau culture. For your Information, Minangkabau is originally a legacy of indonesian culture an malaysia doesn’t have any right to adopt this culture as their own.
as indonesian architect, i felt so upset with this provocative action. i guess that malaysia doesn’t have enough architecture idea resources until he adopt indonesia’s original architecture as their own.
this is what happens when you get a pharmaceutical company to to erect your nation’s architectural showcase to the world
this is what happens when you get someone who was once rumored to possess an australian pr to be your tourism minister
this is what happens when you let a tendering process riddled with controversy and question marks to go through and make its way to the shanghai world expo
and thank god this only happens in malaysia
in a way the pavilion is quite a true and honest representation of what’s happening in malaysia.
the pavilion is very malaysian!malaysia boleh!
then stay in your country, and take back all of indonesian worker from Malaysia.
we as Malaysian know that minangkabau is from Indonesia.but long time ago A MIGRATION HAPPENS! Indonesian came to Malaysia and built their culture here.lol.u should know that.
WHAT KIND OF ARCHITECT ARE YOU? DONT U LEARN ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY? LOL
Well … once I heard that Petronas Twin Tower builder (the worker) came from Indonesia. If all the Indonesian worker out from Msia … then … could you imagine what happen? … >:) well you still have other countries worker then.
Cheers
cruz credo!
How about that national pride you got malaysia? The ones that look like giant twin-cocks? What a bad taste of architecture really, rubbish. They still need a bridge to shore each others up, eh? Limp dick! Yes exactly, just like the ppl and their small wieners. Got nothing creative, all about stealing, mega pathetic!
i ve got nothing against you if you scold us for stealing minangkabau from you/your country… but please visit the twin tower again… put aside all the controversial issue, and look from your personal (if not architecture) point of view, if that is a great building or not… i think it is. phew, i am glad to know that the beautiful bridge has such a technical function.
yeah, aside that indonesia doesnt even have a modern monument to be proud of. all that it have is some dusty temples.
HEY V, I’m also Indonesian… but I think it’s not necessary to talk like that in this decent and International forum.
We can defend our culture as much as w can, but please don’t open a door for a bad image.
tank you
looks like minangkabau traditional house btw
Wow, I never relaized there was such a rivalry.
This thread is like being at yankee stadium when they’re playing the red sox.
we didn’t start it, even their petronas tower stole our concept of Prambanan Temple.
and Batik?? it is an Indonesian for sure.
@ Ray: they did stated that they took the inspiration from Minangkabau traditional architecture.
nuff said
petronas tower derived from the HINDU TEMPLE of Prambanan Tower??… lucky we have only two of it…
i see many similar churches around in europe… who copied who?… or uncivilized-ly put, who stole whose idea?…
man, does it matter?….
by the way, you should be proud that ‘your’ towers were used as a reference…unfortunately in this case, not so… the pattern of the petronas building was derived from islamic geometrical shape. rotated squares stacked on each other…
and fyi, the architecture of java is basically the legacy of many successive influences by the Indians, the Persians and the Arabs, the Chinese, and the Europeans… so, who is copying who….?…
influnce is a basic thing in general, the fact that malaysia and indonesia has a very similar language proves that culturally we are related… for goodness sake…
fyi, just in case you do not know, fries are not french, they are believed to be belgians …so what???…
Big, get over yourself.
wow, nicely said hp. at last somebody civilized enough to say something like that.
if you want to argue about copying, might as well tear down those buildings that take reference from the greek and roman temples…
hai big,
i think u should surf around youtube looking for the design process n conceptual stage before the construction start.
how is cesar pelli and our PM that time discuss about the tower design
yup big..i dont know about the petronas towers..
but, for this one..enough is said, they did say ‘minangkabau traditional arch’.
who knows maybe there are traces of it in malaysia..
but stay away from ‘batik’ and ‘tari pandet’..
Its sad to see the malays(indonesian+malaysian) fighting about this culture stuff..its obvious that we came from the same bloodline..
my mother’s ancestors originate from jakarta and we always go to visit our relatives there. imma very proud bout it =)….so why wanna making a big scene bout it ??
its assimilation of culture that we cannot stop for god sake…and do please grow up and think with ur head before u speak..
Its a shame to me as a half-blood of an Indonesian and malaysiaan to see this..
this stupid so-called “malingsia” agenda is so stupid..and i know universities in Indonesia promote this agenda …
what loss to one great culture that only seperates from geographical properties…
hell to illuminaty!!!
@hp: but they dont CLAIM it. malaysian do that. claim this one, then this one blabla
Trust me.. as malaysia living in US.. its worst that a 49ner fan vs Raiders!
Is a malasian fast-food?
ya.. is a thing that can eat
geez…how shallow can the malaysian government get?…..this is evidence that the decision makers for the design are ignorant of the culture/identity of what should actually be a forward looking/visionary proposal, akin to what was thought to be built when they conceived putrajaya city…not this ‘minangkabau’ crap….
I’m sorry to have said this….because I’m malaysian and I know we can do WAY better than this crap.
poor malaysia,,,,!!
tsk, why dont they explore them self??
why should they promoted our Minangkabau house?
“mempromosikan rumah MINANGKABAU (asal dari Indonesia)”??
bad habit,,
promoted other nation’s architecture, in THEIR SITE (in shanghai expo), under THEIR NAME (malaysian pavilion).
similarity or clearly stealing!
your’s?
arent you even a minang decendant?
i’m sorry idiotREDindons, i’m not minang decendant,
my word “our” is refers to indonesian’s,
still, i keep searching the connection between malaysia and minangkabau…negeri sembilan and padang.
(maybe there somethn that i dont know, i shouldn’t judge that soon)
according to the video “Work on Malaysia Pavilion begins” in youtube, the minister of tourism malaysia said that it is not typically minangkabau,which is two buffalo horns, while malaysia’s is a tilted rooftop… so? is it?
PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said.
you just proved yourself foolish.
kezia, PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
you just proved yourself foolish
this is evil
WHAT A PITY……..POLITICAL INFLUENCED ARCHITECTURE
文化落后的国家 只有强调民族风格才能建立点自信。
马来西亚 尼泊尔和中国馆都是这样
文化有先进和落后之分吗？文化、文明、民俗文化、民族文化。。。。
文化不存在落后，只能说明你思想落后。这样说你的国家？~~
中国是文化落后的国家？ 那你写的是什么字？？
it wasn’t political matter, it is a cultural an architectural matter. this the fact that this pavilion is “over-inspired” by another countries traditional houses *i don’t want to use word steal, even they do*.
another fact, not politic who always influence the architecture, but architecture who always make influence to the politic. this issue was one of them, Malaysian behavior which is over inspired by another country make the political issue getting worse.
can malaysian stop it? hmm.. i guess not, it is not architecture or politic matter, but, it was a mentality matter which never change.
sorry, if you were not agree, prove it by your architecture
yes i disagree.
architecture should influence politics. yes. but this require the effort of the entire body of malaysian architects.
in this case, politics influenced architecture. and if you are an architect, you should know many other examples of this as part of your architecture education. its not the most ideal scenario, but it happened.
I find your comment to be somewhat rude and insulting on an extreme shallow level. You are implying that this is a mental issue with the whole culture of Malaysia while you failed to understand that the culture of any society, is constantly changing and evolving.
An apology would be appreciated or else you are just a somewhat shallow person to discuss with.
Hearing u’re an architect and u make such comments..i really wonder how far of an architect you are.
I disagree with you on the ‘stealing’ and agree with you on architecture influences the politics.
Malaysia is formed by multiple states combined together and the minangkabau influence came together with the people from Indonesia (it wasn’t called indonesia back then) to Malaysia.
But honestly, I find it quite stupid to build a pavilion with the minangkabau style literally. Of all chances to boast how advance the architecture is in Malaysia, they decided to design something traditional. I mean..it looks just like a minangkabau house but in a much larger scale. Archi students could design a hell lot better in their studio classes.
Who ever the architect is..or who ever who approved such designs to be used in the expo..its really disgraceful.
The pattern on the roof is a nice detail. That’s it.
Wow, some Indonesians are apparently a little miffed!
Just a little bit of historical info: there have been Minangkabau people in Negeri Sembilan (Malaysia) since the 15th century. I daresay, then, that Minangkabau architectural heritage is as much a part of the modern nation of Malaysia as it is a part of the modern nation of Indonesia.
from the judgement made by indonesian above, i would say that they not have very mature architecture minded.Raising up not-to-standard issue here and also always self-claim this and that.Whats your problem?Did you learn any history of architecture?The globalization of architecture civilization?What a narrow minded with your people even there is some comment from professional architect.Its look like you try to become a founder in architecture by dress up issue of temple,batik and so on.What a boring matters.
Well said. It really becomes boring when people run around gnawing on a bone and barring teeth like some wild pack animals.
Architecture and preserving authenticity? Please, wake up and stop being so naive.
So what if such and such and so and so copies etc. and etc. Let them! People who replicate and reproduce something without capturing the substance or fundamentals will never ‘get’ the essense that makes a project in a league of their own. The best of us will no doubt look at it and realise in an instance that what is produced will merely be the execution of an inferior idea. And this is not just in reference to the project above too. It’s applicable to all the so-called contemporary fruit salad architecture that gets slapped on all the glossies and design websites.
And they way some of you comment leavers keep on going on and on about who stole from whom shows that you…probably don’t get it either.
I couldnt agree with you and akimizaru more.
Its not just because the Minangkabau architecture, please understand that … this issue is not the only issue that ‘Malaysia’ claims Indonesia cultures. Thats why Indonesian expressed such attitude in this forum. Im am not architect by the way, my brother is. Have you heard of Romo Mangun Wijaya … he’s an ‘Architect’ the good one.
Let me guess inside is a theme restaurant with minnie dress on a Malaysian outfit, hahahaha, this is not architecture this is las vegas meets disney meets pseduo world fair, the worst world fair ever, I miss Seville 92 :)
using a traditional house in malaysia as an idea for a pavilion is a great idea. But this is clearly not well executed.
malaysian or indonesian, either, I don’t feel it is a good piece of architecture
well malaysian or indonesian indigenous architecture is not known for its fancy shape or form, but how it adapt to its surrounding, and environment
this is a Pavilion in a World Expo, right? a representative architecture extracted from its context. what do you mean with surrounding, and environment in this case?
Yet another travesty for the Expo. Every single entry I’ve seen so far was horrible. This might just top it.
Even ignoring the historic/cultural part… just LOOK AT THIS THING. It would be horrible even for a Vegas themed fast food restaurant.
panza do you think you good in architecture, you’r so swanky. furthermore if your country have a good architecture, you arent part of it.
hahahahahahaha….i now you will offended, thats my purpose.sory.
This is also similar to the Thai pavilion for this Expo, not particularly in style but in its pathetic struggle for authentic national identity.
While some countries are fortunate to have chance looking at this World Expo as a platform experimenting with technology or creativity, most South East Asian countries look at it as a tourism fair by continually repeating their exotic styles. Consequently, the point discussing who stole from who is missing the point. Not simply because they are based on the same region but most importantly they can not escape the image initially imposed upon them since colonial time.
This orientalism now is in reverse in which the image projected to the east is reproduced sending back to the West (and the world) again and again. They can be only superficial representations of imagined national identities. There is no essence to be discovered. At best, beyond styles, these pavilions represent well the corrupt political processes of the region.
well said, NIM.
Architecture wise… i don’t think it’s a good piece of architecture.
Culture wise… it really doesn’t matter whether Minangkabau culture is Malaysian or Indonesian. What’s with this idea of stealing? what’s with this Indonesia-wannabe? The biggest joke of all time. Who on earth wants to be born in this under-developed poverty-stricken country? How funny. Many countries in this world do share the same cultural root. The essential point is how they move on to develop their countries. Just look at the state of Indonesia and you’ll know how the mentality of the people has led to the pathetic state of their own country. Poor thing.
sad….we keep coming up with the same old modernised traditional house every time we need to showcase our country to others….its high time for a bit of originality….there are many, many cultural references in the country that could be used to create a good building we can all be proud of….
AND THIS IS WUT I GET FOR EID MUBARAK??
RASE HAMPE GAK LA NAK BRAYE TAHUN NI
I don’t know what is going on between malaysia and indonesia, but i can clear see that malaysia have a crisis identity problem.
i wonder VIETNAM have a pavillon in ShangHAi expo ?? i dont listen for a competition for it
Yes, Vietnam has one designed by Vo Trong Nghia Architects
Malaysia is such a damn not creative at all……yeaakk !!
is not malaysian that are not creative. but the company that was appointed are not. very not creative. and BTW the project is being awarded to those that are politically close to the tourism minister. some say it. but I wont judge
Dear Malaysia,
Please do more justice to architecture…!
Malaysian.
Dear Mio,
i wish to try. but it is not the work of one person.
Malaysian Architect.
hello, i’m indonesian.and i hv a few things to say.
i think we’re being traumatized by the things malaysia did towards indonesia heritage. it didn’t happen once. i think people surely know which culture and heritage their country own. and claiming what is not theirs is surely showing a not respectable behaviour for their fellow ASIAN country. i think Indonesia and Thailand also have a very similar culture, but why didn’t we ever encounter a cultural problem ? because we know how to respect and value our relationship.
i simply cannot judge whether this Malaysia Pavilion is another act of stealing. Because im not an expert on that. i realize that there’s a lot of common theme between Indonesia and Mayasia on culture and heritage. But i think that there’s a clear line whether it’s ours or theirs. Like Batik, UNESCO finally decided that it’s Indonesia’s cultural heritage, and Pendet for your info, i think never been assimilating with any other group because Balinese are well known for it’s cultural guarding and very introverted regarding to their cultural heritage.
i think each country has their own identical cultural history, that’s why we have our own nationality costumes… and we’re wise enough to see the difference between them.
why are we trying to be the same when we can enrich the world with our own uniqueness ?
PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
you just proved yourself foolish
Also, you NEED to travel to Thailand and do more research on Thailand. Indonesian culture and Thai culture and completely different. This is why the two countries rarely encounter cultural conflict.
This is not an act of stealing. This is an act of poor judgment and poor design.
“i think each country has their own identical cultural history, that’s why we have our own nationality costumes… and we’re wise enough to see the difference between them.” – please rephrase this statement, as it doesn’t quite make sense.
“why are we trying to be the same when we can enrich the world with our own uniqueness ?” – this is call GLOBALIZATION as the world grew closer with better communication and development. The next step below globalization is REGIONALISM, read up on that.
such a pity tranformation..
and a pity resource..
the pavillion must give image about their country. not from their neighbour country. i saw other pavillion design in archdaily. and some of them can give me an image about their country..
i’m a malaysian and i’m embarrassed by this. the architect of this building is apparently not a very bright one.
it is ugly in many ways. not to say physically ugly, but concept and identity wise. i expected some modernization of my country’s culture. but this is like venturi
and saying this country steal that country’s culture, it is damn immature. furthermore, indonesia is just a freaking few hundred miles from malaysia. and they were once ruled together by some other country. shouldn’t there be some similarities?
and as a student, i think alot more of my mates could come up with something better.
We are living next door .. Of course there will be a mix of culture morons ..
Just like China and Japan and Korea ..
They have some similarities in their cultures too ..
OH MY GOD, is it Indonesian pavilion??? this pavilion is completely identically as Indonesian traditional architecture. if I were a malaysian I would be so shy to admit it as their pavilion. I’m sorry but I’m telling the truth you are stealing guys..
have u ever been here (malaysia)?
if not,then u better get your facts right.
but i do agree about what others think of Malaysian pavillion. it’s too much common in design that we can easily see in Malaysia. im not a creative designer though. in fact,im only an architecture student who hasn’t even get her degree. that’s the reason why we,the future architects need a very experienced seniors to lead us in becoming a great architect.
there are a lot of history and culture goes on for ages between malaysia and indonesia.
tats y for some cases they are really sensitive and tis sud be understood.. its just not architecture but also covering other hot issues such as culture, political, etc. which is a very sensitive topics between those two nations
what kind of Goverment…?copy – paste…?
PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
you just proved yourself foolish
malaysia..apakah kalian tidak mampu??
copy again..you are too poor malaysia
PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
you just proved yourself foolish.
STOP with the childish bashing of one another.
Im a malaysian and I actually think the design insn’t too bad.
Yes, minangkabau is definitely more presence in Indonesia than Malaysia. and Yes, Malaysia failed at erecting a building that is more representative of the country but instead they chose the image of a small minority whose history may not be local, but nonetheless regional.
No country is more superior than another, they may be a step ahead or 2 steps behind in many aspects. If you guys want to go into the whole debate on cultural identity and architcture, look at Esplanade Theater in Singapore which is suppose to be inspired by THEIR country’s fruit, Durian. But clearly any Malaysian, Indonesian or even Thai would know that Singapore doesn’t even have sufficient land space for housing or need i say, a Durian plantation?
Most pavilion will be torn down after down after the exhibition, but Esplanade Theater is here to stay, and the Singaporeans has already claimed the durian as theirs. As a Malaysian I’m not too happy about this, but I’m glad they chose a regional image to help promote it on a global stage. The only thing I could say, is its a shame that my government didn’t do it first.
So if you Indonesian just want to complain and complain like a kid, DON’T. Becuase I will tell you this, why didn’t your government do it first? Yes, I think they are better image and design the Malaysia could have use, but plain naive complain that Malaysia just copied and pasted is not good enough.
mas2pek, by the explanation that you’ve made, i wonder, if you say that malaysian choose an image of their minority, isn’t it possible that in no longer time malaysian would chose the image of chinese, or indian culture as the representation of malaysia?
i hope you can explain it to me clearly.. we are humanized,rite? =)
I do not understand by what you meant by “…isn’t it possible that in no longer time…”
Are you referring to that Malaysia no longer choose the image of Chinese or Indian culture to represent Malaysia? So instead they chose a non-local but regional image (of Islamic background) to represent?
Yes and no.
Yes: Malaysian government is stubborn. We all know that. It is not a perfect system and it is somewhat biased. In fact no government is perfect.
No: I believe the government system is capable of change. Its a tough uphill challenge, but it is not impossible and it requires the input of all its citizen and time.
They cannot choose an upfront Chinese image, because the expo is host in China. They cannot choose an upfront Indian image, because everyone know Indian is India. This also just happened to be inline with the current political situation in Malaysia, where the Chinese and Indian are treated as a minority despite their population numbers and the real minority, such as minangkabau, are given priority.
I do not know why did not choose the native malay image.
Please bear in mind, this project is financed by Tourism Malaysia, ie, the Malaysian Government. All I can say is the architect failed to convinced them of a more suitable image for the country.
I do not understand by what you meant by “…isn’t it possible that in no longer time…”
Are you referring to that Malaysia no longer choose the image of Chinese or Indian culture to represent Malaysia? So instead they chose a minority image?
No.
There’s definitely some politic involved in this. I believe the government system is capable of change. Its a tough uphill challenge, but it is not impossible and it requires the input of all its citizen and time.
They cannot choose an upfront Chinese image, because the expo is host in China. They cannot choose an upfront Indian image, because everyone know Indian is India.
I do not know why did not choose the native malay image.
Please bear in mind, this project is financed by Tourism Malaysia, ie, the Malaysian Government. All I can say is the architect failed to convinced them of a more suitable image for the country.
i like your opinion about this stuff, i`m an indonesian, but doesnt really want to argue about things at all, i think, indonesians have the right to claim whats theirs, and malaysians too can argue, indonesian and malayan have a really close relationship of culture after all (indonesian are both proto malayan and deutro malayan) and reading about minang people living in malaysia on 15th century..
i guess we`re all are modernist anyway, creating new culture may be my ideal solution
mas2pek,
well said. and i like your comment,very like indeed.
-architecture student-
For all the INDONESIAN and MALAYSIAN who wanted to post something after this, PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
Otherwise, you may just prove yourself foolish.
First of all, this is the ugliest pavilion I have seen. sorry for all tax payers.
1. Money – huge money spend for the roof, have not idea what they do with the big and narrow attic space. Playing golf? Don’t kidding
2. Roof – I can’t imagine someone to put a big coconut trees & beach painting on the roof gable, Pudu Jail’s probably looks better than this. I’m sure I can google a better image. The roof looks like translucent in the night perspective. What material is it? Sorry illustrator, you have to change you mapping. I can’t tell if the pattern related to Malaysia arts, isn’t songket or geometric pattern better?
3. Landscape – any landscape consultant for this project? Really don’t know if coconut trees can grow in Shanghai. Maybe they need to use fake coconut trees, with colorful lighting.
4. People – in the perspective, only 3 peoples in the main entrance… others standing at the square and looking at this ugly pavilion. Means nobody want to visit this pavilion, very sad perspective.
5. Architecture – you can tell this this is not a pure Minangkabau architecture – wrong proportion, no ‘hairy’ roof, no sharp pointing peak, no no no… this is really bad design. Philip Pavilion by Le Corbusier drawn by hand 50 years ago can win this uglier pavilion by computer.
:(
looks like a strip mall fast food restaurant….horrible and grotesque
what a shallow interpretation.
where are all the young and good designers and architect in Malaysia?
to all muslims here happy eidul-fitri.
put aside all our differences, malaysian and indonesian.
I dont understand why Minangkabau.
Why didnt Malaysia actually duplicate/learn whats from Melaka strait, or Sarawak – long houses.
Why must Minangkabau? I dont see much Malaysia Minangkabau houses around.
Failed tourism product. A shame for Malaysia.
Malaysia has always been and still is in a struggle to define what is ‘Malaysian Architecture’. Being a melting pot of cultures, it is sometimes rather hard to amalgamate features and the characteristics of the various cultures into 1 entity that represents ‘Malaysian Architecture’.
Furthermore, the Southeast Asian (SEA) countries such as Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines and etc do not have a very long history in architecture compared with the Romans, Greeks, Italians, Chinese which helped define and shape their form of architecture since centuries ago.
Although different, but cultures and beliefs in Southeast Asian countries are very much similar. Our cultural roots have always been around each other, developing from the original into what that defines the individual cultures now. So i guess even if another country’s building or culture looks or is like what your country has doesn’t really matter. It is how the country developed it’s individuality in terms of culture that is more important.
Coming back to the design of the Malaysian Pavilion, I think it is a poor representation of Malaysia. I do not agree in literally taking elements of cultures to generate a design. But rather, the essence of it would be much better to be used to design the pavilion. In this case, the essence of the traditional Malay hut?? But then again, is that really Malaysian architecture ??
who cares?
It’s amazing how educated professionals continue to misunderstand the difference between Preserving History and Trying to Recreate History. This is a big step backward for the architectural community in Malaysia.
where are the Malaysian architects, Datuk Ken Yeang, Jimmy Lim, Hijjas kasturi, GDP Architects, Archicnter, Lilian Tay…….
Are we facing design crisis now…!??
Few words for politicians and architects
I would like to quote a sentence from Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s famous 1962 memo, “The development of an official style must be avoided. Design must flow from the architectural profession to the Government, and not vice versa.”
Dasar pandang ke timur or simply translation is “Look East Policy”
My own interpretation is to learn from countries/places like Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan or Singapore…is to set the field free from political influence. please learn from Bertrand Delanoe, president obama , politicians who really know architecture, care architure and believe architects.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s famous 1962 memo, “The development of an official style must be avoided. Design must flow from the architectural profession to the Government, and not vice versa.”
learn with them modestly with an open mind PLEASE!
This is a nice building,, Ive seen it in Indonesia, It must be designed by Indonesian architect,,,
“…Ive seen it in Indonesia, It must be designed by Indonesian architect,,,”
a very very shallow minded comment.
mas2pek, i am having hard time to find what akimizaru and ellen have said.
could you please help me to find those two comments ?
thank you,
ajs
sure, press Control+F and type in akimizaru or ellen, and you hsould be able to find it.
Malaysia certainly has excellent architects and internationally well known design firms but their designs were not chosen or even considered for political or other selfish reasons only. I have seen some other designs that were submitted and they are truely great. Although they were submitted, I heard that they were not even called to present it before this Minakabau design was chosen showing that no matter what, the Ministry of Tourism has decided to choose this Minakabau design. This design apparently was not even done by a Malaysian.
your are sooo right!!
hey guys…i dont know about the petronas towers..
but, for this one..enough is said, they did say ‘minangkabau traditional arch’.
who knows maybe there are traces of it in malaysia..
but stay away from ‘batik’ and ‘tari pandet’..c’mon..
1st of all, i feel shame about the our pavilion that it didnt show the nature of our multi-culture and wonder how can our country presenting such a sux looking building to the world. Morever why are we stealing such an ugly architecture from other country!? Yet, is indon invited for an Indonesia Pavilion in this expo? would like to see how great indon can do or they are just good smuggler construction workers.
First of all, your English is atrocious.
my apology for over reacting, all these topics are so, so provocative…
oooo god…again and again..just create your own Malaysia, dont steal anyting from us again..If you think you’r more smart than Us so why dont you create someting by yourself..dont copy or steal our culture..you must have your own, your identity that you can proud of..for me I’m proud for being Indonesian..do u know why..it because whether we have so many diffrent culture but we are respect each other, we respect your culture so dont let us Down by stealing ours..okay….salam persaudaraan..Go Indonesia Go
correct me if im wrong, isnt it true at one point in Indonesian history where the celebration of Chinese New Year is illegal? and that Chinese Indonesians are to have Indonesian names and not allowed to keep their Chinese?
Indonesian is not better off in respect for other culture than Malaysia I would say.
Also, PLEASE READ what akimizaru and ellen said above.
you just proved yourself foolish.
@mas2pek
you criticize but no difference with the flamers.
“…..isnt it true at one point in Indonesian history where the celebration of Chinese New Year is illegal? and that Chinese Indonesians are to have Indonesian names and not allowed to keep their Chinese?….”
true, but it’s the past, when Soeharto ruled.
It’s sooooooooooooooooo…. more than 10 years ago dude.
Come with fresh one okay! :D
and this one is fresh! ‘batik’ and ‘pendet’ case is fresh.
Lynxluna,
10 years ago is still fairly recent compare to the history of Minangkabau for example. The point made here is to learn from the past and mistakes, no country is perfect.
‘indonesian guy’ made a comment that Indonesia “respect each other” in term of culture and hence implying that Indonesia is better than Malaysia.
I counteract that statement by saying Indonesia is not better than Malaysia with the case of Chinese Indonesians.
The point made here is to stop the silly thinking that one country is better than the other country. I dont believe Malaysia is better than Indonesia and neither should any Indonesian believe they are better than Malaysian. It is a somewhat backward mentality of silly arrogance.
the batik case and pendet case if fresh indeed, i do not want to go into the details as i do not know much about it.
So Im not a ‘flamer’. Im pointing out to the ‘flamers’ (including you) out there how silly they look when they make a comment that is lack of knowledge and judgment.
yeah its 10 years ago, and…. it’s ENDED ALREADY, so its irrelevant be discussed today rite? even the law has been demolished for good.
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the batik case and pendet case if fresh indeed, i do not want to go into the details as i do not know much about it.
So Im not a ‘flamer’. Im pointing out to the ‘flamers’ (including you) out there how silly they look when they make a comment that is lack of knowledge and judgment….
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include me? when you admit you ‘dont know much about it’, but you say I am the one who is ignorant?
Wow! you’re weird dude.
Lynxluna, you seemed to have missed the point, what mas2pek is saying is that the person before him made a statement that isnt completely true, and the example mas2pek used is the Soeharto. Yes it has ended already, but the it is relevant in this discussion as its used as an example only.
and while he admit is doesnt much information regarding certain topics, at least he is contributing productively into the discussion in the field that he knows, as oppose to you, you criticised him, but you mentioned ‘batik’ and ‘pendet’ is fresh and im guessing you are saying its more relavent, if so, SUPPORT YOURSELF.
you are indeed a flamer yourself as you did not contribute anything that’s solid to this debate.
so the weird one here is you.
#correct me if im wrong, isnt it true at one point in Indonesian history where the celebration of Chinese New Year is illegal??
Yes u wrong! Chinese people in Indonesia did celebrate chine new year. Its just not show up as public holliday.
#Chinese Indonesians are to have Indonesian names and not allowed to keep their Chinese?
You are wrong again! Chinese people always have their chinese name, to unite them with indonesia bumi putera as well, they use Indonesia name…
Like in malaysia, most chinese people abandone their name and find their english name…
Bhineka tunggal Ika …. bukan hanya semboyan….
tq
I don’t know nothing about architect.but as per this is pavilion on world expo, I could said; usually exhibitor tried to show their profile on exhibition. By showing this minangkabau architect is same malaysia claiming minangkabau as they. That’s why some indonesia getting upset.minangkabau n malaysia huge different,thou they are similiar. Most people in malaysia are from minangkabau,no wonder they have same culture. For this one,we don’t have argue.
Yes,culture are develop n adjust as much as people travelling. People in this comment were right, Indonesia also copyin some european or indian, and chinesse culture. but if u look very clear, indonesia also said; well.. We got inspired n influence by european. Indeed,our ancient people admitted that’s some dance,or architect are influence by hindu in indian or china. We never ashame to declare our national monument are inspired by eifel but we also put our identity in their.culture also change n develop,culture can’t be claim by one community to community. Don’t forget,Indonesia have more than 350 culture,which everytime people from region to another region also bring n influence their culture to another region culture. That’s why u’ll see BAtik all over indonesia,but every region have batik own authencity.
If u said indonesia doesn’t understand about culture assimilation,then we have fight each province since ages! Look at jogja n bali,they are quite same but they are different.its we are believe that culture moving,develop n adjust with new region.we are believe,what make culture different is by people who lived it.everyone is unique,that’s makes culture unique.culture develop by the people.
And sometimes, indonesian forget that half of people who living in malaysia are indonesian.that’s why most of indonesian culture is there.that’s why our government never have problem with malaysian claiming.that’s why indonesian are very quite n acceptable with dozen culture claim by malaysia,specially when malaysia admit culture from sumatera.
But,why these days there are big intense in indonesia about malaysia claiming. It is because malaysia NEVER SAID THOSE CULTURE are INFLUENCE or INSPIRIED by indonesia.indeed,they go to court by put some trademark of copyright about culture. With this,malaysia itself stop culture assimilation.with this malaysia denying that culture its develop,moving,transforming. They failed understand culture can’t be claim by law on just one country! It is makes our people can’t creative produce batik,coz everytime we produce batik we need pay royalty to malaysia. That’s PITY!! While batik has spread until africa,either africa have their own batik. But africa adore that africa batik are influence by indonesia batik. And we are find with africa,as much as with thailand.it is the bigest concern of indonesian people, specially media. Can’t u imagine,small people who have been living with batik since ages should stop creating batik just because Malaysia already put copyright onto it? Can u imagine,those small people should pay million dollar royalty to malaysia for they own effort to produce batik while they only sell batik for 100.000 rupiah?? C’MON!! Get up!! U cant make culture as tools to enrich ur pocket!! And while we try to save this people in UN,malaysia show those fuckin shit law royalty! But when we bet malaysia to produce batik with traditional way,they give us shit machine that we called stample. Even african,knows that’s not origin batik. But law has made,indonesia lose this way. And yes,we aren’t rich as malaysia,we still fight with poverty.that’s why we failed to take court by this law.we don’t have much money to buy copyright,we don’t have british to help us won in law.but we have creative people,we found our way to make the world admit batik is world heritage culture which origin from indonesia. In this case, we want teach malaysia that U CAN ADMITTED one culture as urs, coz culture is moving,culture is developing!! See wat happened with batik.
Back to this pavilion; the article show that malaysia not a single word admitted that this creation are influence by minangkabau.and I can’t blame the anger of indonesian for this. Well,this is not the very first time.
I remember my journey to one of international expo. Malaysia show angklung in their pavilion,but they can’t play it. They don’t even understand the angklung meaning! If angklung really from malaysia or at least has been adjust by indonesian angklung,they will know about it. I give u an example with gamelan. Thailand also have gamelan, but they said; yes we are influence with indonesia.but we have our own way to play it. We have our own philosophy about our gamelan. That’s why Indonesian never have problem with thailand. As indonesian,I am proud to see thailand play gamelan,african wearing batik,european ate nasi goreng,satay, or japanesse dancing pendet. I am proud knowing australian have they own way to perfrom wayang.it is show the culture movement,culture developing,culture break the political differences.
Many european learn indonesian tradiosional dance,and many of them collaborate it with european dance.
A true person who apreciate culture will always admit the culture origin,never be ashame declare they got influence by another culture.this is what our father teach us.
Malaysia has their own culture yes! Malaysia have their own uniqueness yes! But malaysia will never be true culture country as long as they never appreciatte others culture.
If you guys said indonesia n malaysia have common,specially in language. So u guys should said,india also have common with us,so does chinesse n arab. Because indonesia very much influence by indian,chinesse,arab and yet european.but we then creating our own culture. Such as indonesia language are influence with sanskrit,indeed it is indonesia ancient language,then it is assimilated with native who speak local language,and yet melayu,english n arab flattering us to adjust into indonesia language. We make our culture by influence other culture. We are not ashame,though we are proud with our creativity!
Some people said,indonesian is stupid by this problem. Italy n france has been ages fighting about culture,scotland n irish n british still haven’t found away to solve culture problem. But what makes finally they lived harmony? Between them never take a court about culture. Can u imagine what would france do if italy take a court about WINE??what spain reaction if they should pay to france everytime they produce wine?
We never be so selfish about culture. We never be stingy to not teach others about our culture. We never be very closed mind to not accept culture transforming.
By the way,if petronas is inspire by prambanan it is coz culture moving,indeed the architect of petronas is indonesian or at least his/she grand grand father is indonesian.
And speaking about architect,my architect friend ever told me, the building that she designed will show the identity of the architect.just like culture,its always influence by others but always have to show the identity of the architect and the building owner.so,I assume this pavilion,so does others malaysian building is made by indonesian architect.no offense malaysia,but u gotta to know Many of indon have brilliant idea n creativity that’s been world class architecture.
i cant believe i actually bother reading through your essay. whilst you made some good points, you made some foolish points base on poor research and judgement.
“It is because malaysia NEVER SAID THOSE CULTURE are INFLUENCE or INSPIRIED by indonesia” – You failed to understand basic geography class (please go back to school).
Both countries are in the same geographic region whilst the origin of some culture/tribes of civilization maybe specific to a location, overtime its people spread to new settlement. Indonesia NEVER OWNED the minangkabau culture. their history originate to location that just so happened to be land governed by the indonesian government. it is the decentant of minangkabau that’s more the matter. and today, the decentants of the minangkabau are in both malaysia and indonesia, having said that, I dont think malaysia need to ask indonesia permission to use the minangkabau image.
your point about ‘culture’ as an element thats evolving and changing is a valid point. if thats the case, why do you get upset when people dont acknowledge its origin? In some cases, i would argued, the cuture may have evolved so much to the extent, that its no longer need to be related to its origin. You are saying as if Indonesia OWNED all these cutlures, and that one is allowed to use it as long as they acknowledge its from indonesia.
i do not understand your arguement about batik and i dont think it has any relevance in this forum.
It is wrong for any individual to think that their country is better or more superior than other country becuase no country is perfect.
Also, ALWAYS do your research, César Pelli, the architect behind petronas twin tower is from Argentina. He is not Indonesian as you said neither is his grand grand father.
Becuase if you do not do your reserach, and you ASSUME, it will always make you look like a big fool when you get it wrong.
I dont think a lot of indoensian architects is working in Malaysia and I dont think its an indonesian architect behind this pavillion. but you are welcome to prove me wrong provided you have the research to back you up.
again and again.I thought the BORING issue of copy-paste already finish but still exist here.Supposed to be this elegant architecture website we discuss something more interesting.Not a topic that relate to something political-cultural.
I alert that there is somebody who said that Petronas twin tower copied from Prambanan Temple? That type of statement already show about the level of maturity and thinking in architecture point of view.Why that statement so rubbish?Why no body say twin tower copied from La Sagrada Familia?Why no body said that Le Corbusier copied any master of vernacular traditional house in Asia?Thats why i said that u should learn about globalization in architecture civilization.Dont simply said copy-paste and others unmature point here.Why dont u critisize in term of form,materials,construction method,architectonic issues.
Dont show ur foolish thinking here. It will embrass urself and represent ur country’s people indirectly.
sorry, i don’t respect my own culture. pardon me for my typo.
pardon me if i am wrong, indonesian are corrupted right?
yes, they are. mas2pek you’re right. we are not better off in respect for other culture than Malaysia.
pertamax kah?
i think you must stop read history text book made by your umno goverment.. and why we must study geography to understand cultural issue.. for example there is million latin imigrants in US.. but i never see american say salsa or mariachi as american culture..
i think you must stop read history text book made by your umno goverment.. and why we must study geography to understand cultural issue.. for example there is million latin imigrants in US.. but i never see american say salsa or mariachi as american culture.. or maybe because i live in indonesia and has never been to america before.
Hi there,
What’s with all the arguing? i mean before you all leave any comments here, have you all really thought of the world expo?
the purpose of this expo is to bring the world together. and the theme is “a better city, a better life”. and no way the world will head a better life with ppl blaming each other for stuff that can never really be proven.
you all can criticize the malaysians for all you want, and malaysians can defend themselves for all they want. but at the end of the day, what do you all get from it? a certificate to certified that minangkabau comes from where?
to the malaysians, i do agree that malaysia did a poor job in this architechtural design, when there is alot more to choose to represent malaysia, but at least they will have a presence in the world.
and to the indonesians, i honestly do not know why tht the gov decided not to participate, but yet again, are you going to design a Minangkabau to represent Indonesia since there is a claim of its culture? if yes, it will probably looks something like tht and if its a no, thn why bother? you guys may definitely do better than the malaysians, but aint you glad the gov is saving the money for the benefit of its ppl?
nothing is original in this world except for what came naturally. arguing on can get us nowhere. why blame each other? if the blame game continues, why not blame our older generation for not putting their food on the ground to own the culture?
we as the younger generation should look forward. and if the culture belongs to you, look at the mirror and ask yourself if you are still living up with the culture? why claim the culture when you cant even preserve it?
All the discussions we heard have missed one point and that is Malaysians are not to be blamed for that silly design. It is all about the politician in charge not respecting our own young talents. Our PM is asking Malaysian talents working overseas to return home to serve our country and yet some politicians still prefer foreign efforts and not appreciate our own talents. These politicians who are supposed to represent Malaysians have accepted this foreign design for reasons I cannot even imagine. In fact, Dr. Ng Yen Yen, the Malaysian Tourism Minister, has admitted by telling Malaysian reporters after presenting the design to Deputy Director-General Bureau of Shanghai World Expo Coordination that the Architecture Design Institute of South China University of Technology had designed the Malaysian pavilion. This was also reported in the Shanghai Expo News web site (#270). Therefore the design is not done by our own architect even though there are quite a number of designs done by our own Malaysian talents being submitted to the Ministry of Tourism for consideration.
You can throw bad eggs at the politician involved but do not blame Malaysian as we are all just as disappointed with what has happened. Many firms have submitted excellent designs of Malaysian origin but the politician just prefer to chose one done by overseas may be for some selfish reasons as the Malaysian government has agreed to help finance this multi-million dollar project. At the Shanghai expo news web site (#247), a Malaysian senator has also mentioned that “…..the project was somehow ‘hijacked’ to a foreign company in China which has absolutely no knowledge of our local Minangkabau culture and history, resulting in a ‘rojak’ design of a pavilion which had incorporated graphic nuances that are more Indonesian rather than Malaysian. Such a project of national pride, in the first place, sh
hello.. greetings to all,
im a malaysian and a student studying in a local university.. honestly, i think the pavilion is crap, poorly done. and im not writing this to backup the design or my goverment. From what ive learnt, architecture existed since human learn to place a roof under their heads, to shelter themselves from threats from their surroundings. it could be thousands of years ago. so, nothing is original. simply put.
indonesians also should aware that we all came from the same root. even our language is almost the same. if im not mistaken only we, indonesia , malaysia n singapore use bahasa nusantara which have are influnced from hindu, arab etc cultures. Do they ever argued about this? think back.
moreover, there is no such thing as malaysia and indonesia during the majapahit, srivijaya era. tanah melayu which is malaysia now in once under the reign of those empires. what happened? they bring in the cultures. migrated here and assimilate or create their own community. we shared stuff once. why not now?
all this originality issue is just not mature and placing so much damage on our relationship over very little issues. what akimizaru and ellen said is truly right. even we are taught to do precedent studies. not copying, its evolving ideas. there’s no such thing like ‘something i created’. forgive me for any misconceptions in my opinion. and i would to congratulate mas2pek for your wise speeches..orang kata ‘balas berhikmah’ hehe..
All the discussions we heard have missed one point and that is Malaysians are not to be blamed for that silly design. It is all about the politician in charge not respecting our own young talents. Our PM is asking Malaysian talents working overseas to return home to serve our country and yet some politicians still prefer foreign efforts and not appreciate our own talents. These politicians who are supposed to represent Malaysians have accepted this foreign design for reasons I cannot even imagine. In fact, Dr. Ng Yen Yen, the Malaysian Tourism Minister, has admitted by telling Malaysian reporters after presenting the design to Deputy Director-General Bureau of Shanghai World Expo Coordination that the Architecture Design Institute of South China University of Technology had designed the Malaysian pavilion. This was also reported in the Shanghai Expo News web site (#270). Therefore the design is not done by our own architect even though there are quite a number of designs done by our own Malaysian talents being submitted to the Ministry of Tourism for consideration.
You can throw bad eggs at the politician involved but do not blame Malaysian as we are all just as disappointed with what has happened. Many firms have submitted excellent designs of Malaysian origin but the politician just prefer to chose one done by overseas may be for some selfish reasons as the Malaysian government has agreed to help finance this multi-million dollar project. At the Shanghai expo news web site (#247), a Malaysian senator has also mentioned that “…..the project was somehow ‘hijacked’ to a foreign company in China which has absolutely no knowledge of our local Minangkabau culture and history, resulting in a ‘rojak’ design of a pavilion which had incorporated graphic nuances that are more Indonesian rather than Malaysian. Such a project of national pride, in the first place, should have been a 100% Malaysian effort. To the more knowledgeable people, this will appear to be a gross misrepresentation of our local Minangkabau culture and Malaysia will yet again become a laughing stock of the world!”
By the way, Indonesia did submit their design for the expo and thus will be taking part. Their design can be seen at the Shanghai Expo News web site (#50).
My condolence to all Indonesians after the Deadly Quake. It is moronic that your government issued an edict to have ‘Batik Day’ as a symbol of victory over cultural issues when you are ravaged by natural disasters. Ignorance is bliss.
After the disaster at Padang, which is the Indonesian region for all the source and arguments about this ‘Minangkabau’ architecture will spark more controversy. A wave of deeply hatred sentiments will further sink the two countries. People that are desperate will do anything to forget their desperateness,governments will turn into other issues to cover their own problems. All in the future to come.
My condolences to all the people of Padang.
This is a disgrace to all the GREAT Malaysian Architects in Malaysia. Seriously!
please stop stealing Indonesian culture, you mentally disorder !
OMG….1 MALAYSIA…but the architecture is only from one ethnic and one culture….Malaysia consists of MALAY, CHINESE, INDIAN, IBAN, KADAZAN and others….WHY only MALAY architecture been applied for the SHANGHAI EXPO 2010? SOMEHOW, rumah Minangkabau were only found in Negeri Sembilan…How About other state in MALAYSIA?… For instance, RUMAH PANJANG SARAWAK and etc….THIS type of architecture really CANNOT represent 1 MALAYSIA.
“WHAT KIND OF ONE MALAYSIA IS THAT!!!” Sorry to the Architectural designer of the particular pavilion, I dont have sense of belonging for the building even i am a Malaysian. One Malaysia is not means one race. Malaysia have more than one race. In my opinion, design of Malaysia pavilion should implied with the idea of tropical, openess, colourful, artistic and dynamic. And i really feel the particular architect did not put enough passion and effort in the design study. shame! shame!
damn there are a lot of comments here.
its just a plain ugly building straddled blindly to a terrible idea.
perhaps its the identity crisis or a post colonial cultural constipation problem.
lets just hope its just bad taste, like most things that seem to come about in that peninsula.
i dont get anything wrong bout the building….its really a good idea by the Malaysian government and i wonder y this freeky indonesian talking bout their minangkabau and their culture….do u think bout the amount of Indonesian who working in Malaysia?????…IN OUR LANGUAGE “CARI REZEKI”…..Dont simply throw ur comments without tink bout it….we are ASIAN….U shud happy bcz ur Minangkabau going to be exhibited in China….
Realwarrior, you are an idiot for bringing up Indonesians working in Malaysia. What right does that give us as Malaysians? I disagree with the Indonesian sentiment that Malaysia is stealing their culture (as already discussed by others in the comments above) but your argument here is just as moronic. People like you give Malaysia a bad image.
This design is simply naive.
by claiming that
“Malaysia has 47 ethnic groups, who live comfortably together in urban and rural areas.”
but the form is focusing only one ethic group.
Malaysia is a democratic country, please don’t design if one don’t understands.
utterly biased design i would say:D
wow..i love indonesian style, thanks malaysia for promoting indonesian archipelago of minangkabau,west sumatra, indonesia
relax everyone,, indonesia, we still have hundreds or even billion culture to take,, let the world make the decision,,
let’s make our real own identity, we have our Omo Sebua from Nias, we have Rumah Betang from Borneo, we have Honai from Papua, we have Tongkonan from Toraja, we have Joglo from Java, and we have another culture to show,,
this is our job, our responsibility to take,,
let’s make our Indonesia!!
Merdeka!!
i hate what my country have done..becoz my country always steal things from others. and claimed that’s mine… i cannot resist that is from indonesia..again…pendet also indonesia…so ..why we (malaysia people)always steal from indo?we have own culture, please use malaysia culture to tell the world that is from malaysia…not others…
INDONESIAN (again)
all of us can compare its basic shape with traditional Minangkabau House named “Rumah Gadang”, one of many traditional architectures in INDONESIA, NOT MALAYSIA…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumah_gadang
OH malaysia… don’t you ever have YOUR OWN culture?
i mean in this topic, TRUE MALAYSIAN ARCHITECTURE…
you have stolen so much indonesian cultures,
and this time, you’ll bring INDONESIAN TRADITIONAL HOUSE in front of peoples over the world, with a label, “MALAYSIAN PAVILION for shanghai world expo 2010″
i say thanks for introducing indonesian culture to the world,
but for stealing it, i just say, “shame on you malaysia…”
It’s just an old idea spiffed up. There’s no creativity, no substance.. I mean, would you want Malaysia to be filled with ‘things’ like these? No, I don’t think so. Malaysian architects, grow up. Overdoing something old isn’t funny anymore.
both Malaysian n indonesian share the same/similar culture..nobody copy the culture..do not point the mistake to others..if Malaysia claim as their culture..it is true..but if Indonesia also claim that as their culture too,is also true…cz both countries have similar culture..what’s the point to blame each other?We should be proud of our culture.
yeah,agree with architecture corruptor
Realwarrior says: dont get anything wrong bout the building….its really a good idea by the Malaysian government and i wonder y this freeky indonesian talking bout their minangkabau and their culture….do u think bout the amount of Indonesian who working in Malaysia?????…IN OUR LANGUAGE “CARI REZEKI”…..Dont simply throw ur comments without tink bout it….we are ASIAN….U shud happy bcz ur Minangkabau going to be exhibited in China….
first of all, i wanna credit this guy who does not understand why indonesian are defending their culture which is used by Malaysia for the world to see. Its like your mum made a new nasi lemak recipe and shared it with your neighbor, and then your neighbor claimed the recipe is her’s.
Why there is an amount of Indonesian in Malaysia, because there is a demand of cheap labour to build your twin tower and KL tower and your ZOUK CLUB and even your dad’s house. The demand is obviously from Malaysian government, who allowed Indonesian to CARI REZEKI in Malaysia . Don’t blame indonesian for coming to Malaysia, blame Malaysia Government for allowing Indonesian to come and work and get PR . I don’t see Singapore having an Indonesian problem, do you?
I also wanna stress, confirm, be positive about Malays(sian) are and definitely, 1000% connected with Indonesia. Remember Parameswara the first Sultan of Melaka is from Indonesia? Parameswara (1344 – 1414) (also called Iskandar Shah) was a Malay-Hindu prince from Temasek who founded the Malacca Sultanate around 1402.
Its like Taiwan and China = Malaysia and Indonesia. Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indo are so similar, Malays and Indons look so similar. Their culture is similar. Its just because of the time changed, government and countries formed, political mindset had made Malaysia and Indonesia as its own country. Culture and language are over hundreds of years old. What do you think about Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia? Are they similar too? Why cant they share same culture and language, as for Minangkabau architecture I will leave it to the rest of EXPERTS to conclude, I am not proving anything political but, I am proving as an asian with rich asian culture that we should not forget history that made us today. I would be happy if asia one day would follow EUROPEAN UNION (EU) ideology and protect and secure Asian countries in terms of politic and economy and security. Go Asia !!!
As a representative of my country, I would like you guys to realize that this is the real situation of ‘Nice to have’ minded of Malaysia gone wrong. I don’t want to argue bout Malaysia Indonesia disputes coz that takes up a lot bout politics and history. But the minded of our ‘Laymen’ is really ‘LAYman’ if you know what i mean. Its just in the matter of converging from pessimism to optimist minded for sure.
Ashamed by the design, and everything.
sry but where can i get info about working at Malaysia Pavilion for Expo 2010? Is the date over?
i have to admit..its a lousy design..but the roof detail are quite interesting..other than that..malaysia cud have done better than this..
This is not even designed by Malaysian. In fact, the Malaysian tourism Minister did admit that it was designed by a Shanghai company. Malaysians architectural companies did submit many great authentic designs by local architects and designers but they were all being ignored mainly for political or other unfair reasons for personal gain by somebody I am sure you know who.
there’s nothing original from malaysia, even the malayan-race, except ‘the claim’ itself and the ‘big-foot race’ living deep in the jungle.
see this list: house architecture (minang, indonesia), barongsai/dragon-carnival (china), batik (indonesia), malayan race (yu-nan, china), arabic letter (arab), arabic letter for malayan lang or arab-jawi (java, indonesia), sarung songket (riau, indonesia),reog (ponorogo, indonesia) etc.
maybe someday malaysian people should elect ‘orang utan’ for their king or prime minister.
Should ArchDaily already do something about Indonesians making this thread as a platform to make slanderous comments about Malaysia?
I think the Indonesian idea of claiming every single culture in South East Asia as their nationalize pride echo’s delusional dreams of Facist Thinking…like Nazi’s.
Please do something about this..ArchDaily. Please.
merci
Pity you bang ali…Malaysians are made up of a lot mixture of culture and we’re doing great in our country. What about you? I presume that people like you always condemn others rather than to think something productive.
“maybe someday malaysian people should elect ‘orang utan’ for their king or prime minister.”
Have you even think that even the orang utans are from your countries too? Then should you also elect them as your leaders in the future too ?
I agree that this must not have come Malaysian architects. This design looks as if it were taken directly from its form, scaled to off-proportion level. Architectural students in Malaysia already know, they will be bombarded with these comments as u can see up there, therefore it could not have come from us. If we were to design our own local architecture that represents Malaysia i guess the so-called RUMAH KUTAI in Perak could be a good idea.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and beside, there are a huge Minang population in Negeri Sembilan in Malaysia. So for my fellow Indonesian: chill!
Imagine a Suriname pavillion with Javanese joglo architecture- sah sah aja kan?
PLEASE ALL iNdonesiaN..
STOP THIS INSANE..WHY ARE U SO AFRAID ABOUT SOMEBODY STEALING FROM U.. IF U THINK U R RICH ENOUGH, TAKE A LOOK AT UR COUNTRY, UR PEOPLE N UR DEVELOPMENT…
U ALL SO UNTHANKFUL..THAT’S WHY GOD GIVE U ALL SO MUCH TROUBLE..
To Halim…
Trouble is not only in Indonesia, all over the world you know…comm’on!!
I agree with you, halim !
This really goes to show how narrow minded some people are. Instead of coming up with productive criticism or comments relating to architecture, this arguement is seriously f up.
Regarding the design, yea its really bad, I wouldnt visit the pavilion even though its poking up my…, yup.
This is truly a testament to the TRANSPARENCY of the Malaysian system
1 Malaysia?come on!the design should reflect all the ethnic groups in Malaysia,they got it all wrong!
They say its 0ne Malaysia.. they say everyone lives together happily.. but honestly… this pavilion that the claim represents Malaysia… it just represents how they think of Malaysia. its not one Malaysia because everyone is united… its one Malaysia because they prefer only one type of Malaysian.. its truly sad and agonizing even to read this article. have they not learned? And.. its the world expo for god’s sake… u r supposed to show off your country… show everyone what it is.. how it is.. how so many ethnic groups live together… peaceful or not… not claim another’s history for yourself. Yes the architecture is influenced by the so called migration.. (actually the Indonesian were one of the few that were already there.. if i remember my history lessons right.) in any case… after all these years of of building your own history.. are we that incapable of coming up with something even remotely original?! we have some of the largest and greatest architecture or buildings in south east asia… all the tourism minister could conjure up was a this? (I mean no offense to all Indonesians reading this… i wish as much as you Malaysia could get a clue) At the end… I hope this was not a waste of Malaysian tax payer’s money… please make it worth our while…
All the fault goes to the Malaysian Minister of Tourism for choosing such a design out of so many better ones…….This one is not even created and drawn by our own Malaysian…(as she has pointed out earlier that it was drawn by a Shanghai company). Dr. Ng Yen Yen said during the opening ceremony that she will move the Pavilion to a permanent display place in China after the Expo to “promote” Tourism to Malaysia. What a joke…..I am sure Indonesia will be very happy as it will mainly promote their Tourism.
Aduuhhh…nyarios naon eta teh….sadayana jadi ngaler ngidul….kumaha nya?saur abdi mah…nya tos we lah….teu nanaon bade ngaku-ngaku budaya manehna…nanging Allah nu uninga….
arsitektur emang tiasa jadi budaya global..namung tetep we…aya identitas asli lin…..sanes bade sombong..tapi bade ngamumule…budaya sorangan…ameh kaharepna teu jadi mamala……hatur nuhun ah….
I’m a Malaysian architect and I just got back from seeing the Expo. All I can say is that the Malaysian pavilion is a bloody embarrassment. This is what you get when you have a corrupt ethnocracy in government that awards such an important national commission to some imbecile minister’s imbecile son along racial lines instead of having an open competition to choose an architect with actual talent. Enough said.
Enough said! couldn’t have said it better!
minangkabau design is damn hideous in the first place. dont get your hopes too high, indonesians. this is just a sample of tasteless exposition by ignorants, they too roam the earth. its unfortunate many of them are calling the shots. it has nothing to do with the opinions of architecture groups in malaysia, and it certainly has no intention of claiming your culture as ours. it’s just, shit happens.
btw what about your culture, anyway?. indonesians are busy announcing all this and that as your own, but you cant contain what’s already yours, the only thing done so clearly is picking fights, rioting when you should have instead do something constructive about your own country, all potential scandals internal/external are highlighted, augmented so you can avoid dealing with reality of your own country. so, its a sad case.
p/s: if everything shared/’borrowed’/lent from you can be easily discarded/get rid of, all cultured bunch of malaysia, apparently not calling the shots so far, would have done it a long time ago. but hey, look at the bright side. at least we provide jobs for your ppl, we need construction workers and maid. maybe this minangkabau pavilion is dedicated to them.
Christ, what an eyesore. The indoor golf is a terrible idea too.
Han
wow..beautiful…
http://worldexpo.tourism.gov.my/page_construction_progress.php
look at this website..why the rooftop is diffrent??make me really confused??.
before build the rooftop is cover by shiny silver zink(in pic)..
but when it done it cover by airbrush/graffiti..
not so modern “lah”…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Minangkabau
http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minangkabau
all ASEAN..look at this all website!
jangan lah kita menjadi buta sejarah!
It is funny to see how Indonesian arguments against their cultural here. I don’t judge who is right or wrong here or who copied whose idea. Our country didn’t claim that the Minangkabau or batik are originally from M’sia or Indo. We just wants to show what traditional cultures and arts do we have in Penang, Negeri Sembilan, Johore, Melacca, Sabah and Sarawak and to highlight at Shanghai World Expo 2010 since our pavilion theme is traditional heritage.
But funny also, since it is traditional, the internal of the pavilion shows F1, twin towers, etc.. .doesn’t looks like more towards modern culture lol…
All the fault goes to the Malaysian Minister of Tourism for choosing such a design out of so many better ones…….This one is not even created and drawn by our own Malaysian…(as she has pointed out earlier that it was drawn by a Shanghai company). Dr. Ng Yen Yen said during the opening ceremony that she will move the Pavilion to a permanent display place in China after the Expo to “promote” Tourism to Malaysia. What a joke…..I am sure Indonesia will be very happy as it will mainly promote their Tourism.
of all unique heritages they have,why would the Minister picked up something like this? Duh,it’s like a Minang Resto is scaled like hundred times,filled with paints n glamorous effect. So lame..
I bet architecture students in Malaysia could’ve built something MUCH more ‘Malaysia’ rather than this. They should have pick a new Tourism Minister I suppose.
just my 2 cents.
‘They should have pick a new Tourism Minister I suppose’.
I agreed.
malaysia artist and architect always sleep and never proud with their culture.
i’m indonesian, i don’t care it’s indonesian or malaysian, they are similar, won’t solve the problem if they just arguing each other. indonesian and malaysian just need to create a discussion to exchange their knowledge of their own culture to understanding which one is their original culture.
They should use their energy of mind to sustainability and green campaign in their country to prevent the extinction of their peoples and cultures instead of arguing for their own culture till the end of the world……
damn long the comment…….
Damn The Ng Yen Yen ….. 不懂装懂
TO INDONESIANS,
PLEASE EXPLAIN THE CENTURY OLD ROTTEN MINANGKABAU HOUSES IN VARIOUS PART OF MALAYSIA’S STATE OF NEGERI SEMBILAN AS WELL AS THE MINANGKABAU DIALECT SPOKEN IN VARIOUS PART OF MALAYSIA.
DEAR ALL INDONESIAN..
we indonesia love our culture more than anything.. yes our ancestor migrated from peninsula malaya long-long time ago..but since malaysia is more developed now, please don’t steal our culture. Please leave our culture, we are poor enough..
wow west sumatra has their own pavilion in the expo.. thanks malaysia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minangkabau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumah_Gadang
The Pavilion of West Sumatra
http://en.expo2010.cn/c/en_gj_tpl_8.htm
Hmmmm…
Here’s the deal. This pavilion is not reflective of Malaysia. It is reflective of the Malaysian government, or more specifically, of the Ministry of Tourism’s weak grasp on what the country is about.
So if you choose to attack anyone, attack our leaders, not our people. I can assure you, if the idea of a Minangkabau pavilion was proposed to the Malaysian public for approval before this project started, many would’ve opposed.
A majority of Malaysians detest this monstrosity. The people were not engaged in its production. Which is sad because we have many talented architects who could’ve produced something more significant for the World Expo.
With regards to this pavilion, as a Malaysian, I’m not going to defend something I don’t agree with – it’s hideous. I have many Indonesian friends and I respect Indonesian culture. But I’m not going to tolerate immature xenophobia – from any side of the field.
Perhaps before we need to progress from a design, architectural or even cultural standpoint, let’s try to progress as human beings first.
A.
Well said, anakemas.
suka tidak suka, like or dislike….malaysian pavilion adopt minangkabau style,original from indonesia…
and that’s fact.
like ‘Rumah makan Padang’ ( Padang Resto ) hehe…fo me,it doesn’t matter malaysia using minang style fo their pavilion…that’s great i think (free promotion for minang :) )…but, how if the visitor from all around the world, asking for the ORIGINAL history of the pavilion architecture? wht would u say???
for next,i think better malaysia using their own uniqly typical culture, or something for promote,that can make malaysia people proud of it,without any ‘debate’ frm other country like this one.
peace…
Another copy cat…zzzzzzzz
it’s time to wake up from the identiy crisis and move forward as a progressive nation by being more creative. Spending time & resources to put up this pavilion is not a any better/creative by simply shifting traditional minangkabau structure to Shanghai.
We dont’ see British pavilion look like a castle!!
okay..sekarang waktunya membicarakan rumah makan padang pavillion…
BEDA ANTARA MALAYSIA PAVILLION (MP) DAN RUMAH MAKAN PADANG(RMP):
MP: ukurannya gigantik…RMP: tidak ada yang sebesar ini
MP: di shanghai expo…RMP: lebih banyak di perempatan jalan
MP: display produk di dalam…RMP: model window display
MP: motif yang digunakan printing diesel RMP: ragam hias
MP: menggunakan logo tower RMP: water tower
selebihnya tidak ada perbedaan yang signifikan…dan inilah yang seharusnya membuat designer dan arsitek Indonesia bersyukur karena malaysia pavillion tidak di buat dengan kesadaran yang berarti…tidak sehebat si bule yang bikin
slumdog millionaire di perfilman india atau gereja poh sarang di east java…
i think malaysia sure have alot good designer ! y don’t let the good 1 go and design the pavilion ?
how this designer to be seleted ? is he know about malaysia ?
i’m proud to be Malaysian…. =)
The Minister of Tourism has no taste to accept this design done by a foreigner especially in such a big international gathering. That design definitely do not depict a 1-Malaysia theme. Recently she has also approved a really ridiculous and stupid design of Concrete arches in our Beautiful Penang Botanical garden which is well known for its greenery. There were strong protests from many quarters including the Consumer Association of Penang (CAP) but she is just too stubborn to listen to the people. The CAP letter of protest appeared in our local newspaper, The Star, on Sunday.
Gosh, Malaysia can’t even make a correct imitation of Rumah Gadang…
good day!
anyone of you been there? (i mean went to World Expo and look at the pavillion) If not, please dont wasting your time to Malaysia Pavillion.
As a malaysian, i felt shame because whats inside the Malaysia Pavillion, looks like a Pasar malam to me. very disorganize, hired China chinese to explain malaysia culture!
what are these tourism Malaysia people do?
Enuff is enuff you indons and mlysians r always at it. If u don’t stop this. I will report this matter to the liaison officer. And we all know when they come down in their space ships it matters little whether it is a Minangkabau or lingtok hse, they could just make it look like dunkin donut with a big hole with their plasma guns
Sounds like a good idea (report to liaison officer). we end this once and for all!
All this human just know how to complain.
malaysia truly asia or truly Indonesia ?
I really wonder if Malaysia and Indonesia became united.
kayak kucing ama anjing aja,, haha
estamos de uma raça, it is good architecture for both country.
estou a pensar, por que! Indonesian Pavillion doesnt reflect ours. so sad,,
THIS IS ARCHITECTURE WAR!
malaysia trully indonesia….
Malaysian and Indonesian are not real countries: they are creation of colonial power in the 19 and 20 e century!
This ‘pavilion’ was ‘designed’ by the multidisciplinary team consisting of a clueless tourism minister and a foreign pharmaceutical company… no architects were involved.
Not our own Malaysian architects anyway. It was designed by people in Shanghai. The Tourism has even the guts to tell us that and She seemed so proud about it.
that rigth. malay paviliun is indonesia traditionla hood by west sumatra. I minangkabau people so thanks to malay. because has promotion my culture. walau tidak minta izin
everyting in malasyia there in indonesia
blah what kind of joke is this
as a minang people i’m very angry with this
they are totally copy-pasting indonesian culture
more than 30 indonesian cultures copied by them
and they self-claimed that culture -_-
like
reog(east java)->barongan
batik(west java)->batik (with poor quality)
rendang(minang)->rendang (that has terrible taste)
and now minang’s traditional house copied
they DO NOT HAVE ANY CULTURE
ALL THEIR CULTURE ARE COPIED FROM INDONESIA,CHINA AND INDIA
AND WHY PEOPLE ALWAYS SUPPORT MALAYSIA
THEY ARE INTERNATIONAL THIEF!
MALAYSIA=MALING ASIA (THIEF IN ASIA)
hahaha, agree….
Malaysia doesnt have UNIQUE original culture…
Pure Malaysia….
If you (malaysia), please tell us what you have ???
(please NOT SAME from the other country)
Why you choose MINANGKABAU STYLE ……?
please read this forum for the image :
http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=5063847
Why don’t you choose your UNIQUE DESIGN from your country,
is there NO architech can be PROUD of your country ?
Ooooooh C’mon…..please tell us (no offense).
hem… poor malaysia
Je viens de France et était souvent Voyage en dehors du pays … J’ai été à la Malaisie … puis je suis allé à l’Indonésie … ce que je vois? … Une grande partie de ce que je vois en Malaisie viennent d’Indonésie … Malaisie jumeaux … le même tour que Prambanan Temple à Yogyakarta … plusieurs fois j’ai entendu quelque chose comme ça … mais je sais ce que vous prétendez est culturel authentique de la Malaisie en Indonésie … pas la culture avec la Malaisie Malaisie … Je me demande … Qu’est-ce qu’ils n’ont pas la culture?? alors doit voler de la culture indonésienne?
I thought it is just okay. Nice one, inspired by the Gadang House. Never really thought it is a problem. There’s so many countries architecture style built in Indonesia yet there’s none of the countries say that Indonesia is copycat.
Any of those architecture style considered “traditional”?
I wasn’t really offended by the plagiarism, a slight perhaps, but when i see how it looks like once its built, i was laughing so loud i almost cry, they made it so “Malaysia look” with all the colorful cheesy decorations.
Seriously, even if Malaysia try their best to imitate Rumah Gadang, they won’t succeed since they don’t know what’s the philosophy, the substance and the concept of how building it correctly.
So Indonesian, don’t be offended by this poorly made copy of what we call Rumah Gadang, it doesn’t even resemble one.
Oh well,south east asian people are from Malay origin?? WTF is that?That statement only shows us how dumb,even idiot malaysian people are!! READ YOUR HISTORY!!!! Malaysian nowadays kigngdoms are from Indonesian kingdoms,even your Melayu name came from javanese language”mlayu”,which means run. Your ancestor is believed to be a prince from one of old kingdom in Indonesia who run away/as fugitive because he has killed/stolen and was affraid of the punishment.How disgrace you are,and as WHAT ALL WE INDONESIAN can see today,you’re just like your ancestor,still stealing… :)
dear indonesians..pleasela..stop saying about copying or stealing..how about your temples?isn’t it similar with hindu temples in India and buddhist temple in Thailand..whats a big different??even your dances quite similar with Indian culture also..about ramayana and mahabrata whatsoever..so what’s a big different from that??
and clearly look back what your country have done about your film copying hollywood and bollywood posters..same goes to the storyline…
and fyi..about the batik it’s clearly malaysian’s batik are very different from your batik…the pattern and the meaning of the batik…research about it first…yours one more to animal patterns and our are more to nature and flowers pattern..
and lian..at least our country got a peace environment even we got different races..compared to indonesians killing each other until today because of their religious and races..what a pathetic country..just know how to killed and burned people…even in Malaysia your people done the same thing..stealing and killing our people..stop complaining!
i am sad to see some malaysian and indonesian quarreling among them and get nothing, other country just laughs to see this.
So, please stop.
i am more interested to know about the ‘Malaysia Pavilion’. This is a big spoil issue to all architects in malaysia and also to malaysian image. Does the current Tourism Minister capable to carry the duty. Is the decison came from the 1 person mind or majority? (it may be wise if the decision to be made by the majority – i mean to consider outside of the tourism minister like panel of Pertubuhan Arkitek Malaysia (PAM), Heritage dept, Cultural dept, ICT dept, volunteers,etc).
i am ashamed and dissapointed to see in year 2010, malaysian tourism not able to deliver a descent pavilion to the world expo. i haven’t been there (not afford to go)but some of my friends did. And when i read from the local newspaper and internet, there were lots of weakness, not only the building style but the suitability and arrangement of materials exhibition, the conditions (leaking, equipment down,etc..) (anything with the pavilion… need improvement and careful plan).
At 2010, i think malaysia is capable to do better than the current pavilion (building and content).
‘Don’t ignore other people wise brain, if it doesn’t profit you personally, it may profit more than you(public) and you may find other profit in other way.’
I have an idea actually.
If Indonesian culture and Malaysian culture is similar, why don’t we unite the two countries?
It’s the best way, in my opinion by the way.
Put aside all the cultural or political arguement..
1. 1st year Architecture student can do a better job than this rubber stamp building
2. National Indentity = zero
3. Aesthetic = zero, coarse
4. HOPELESS is the only word I can use for this building. I would skip this pavilion even though I, myself is a Malaysian.
5. Whoever made the decision to adopt this design, please be make known that you have insulted all the Architects, Artists and Designers in your country.
Bravo for making such a daring move in the world Expo.
Wow, some people just can’t handle criticism of their intelligence quite well.
Sure, delete my comment, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a culture plagiarism.
From the official website of World Expo Shanghai 2010
http://expo2010shanghai.com/?s=malaysia
Malaysia’s low tech pavilion showcases rural building with Minangkabau’s “Rumah Gadang” architecture. After the Expo, the pavilion is to be donated to the county of Wuxi in the People’s Republic of China. Controversies have perhaps ensued as the pavilion boasts a miniature indoor golf course which has nothing to do with Malaysian culture as well as the Minangkabau’s building style which originates from Indonesia.
Many locals are not very proud of the designs as they see it as backward-looking instead of embracing the future when the rest of the world is doing so.
The Malaysia Minister of Tourism is seen by some as having given up on showcasing Malaysian technology as she said although Malaysia could not compete with developed countries like Germany and Switzerland in terms of technology, Malaysia had its uniquity of being multi-racial and multi-cultural.
[SHANGHAI] – The Indonesia Pavilion at World Expo 2010 Shanghai received the Bronze World Expo Award for Creative Display in a ceremony attended by hundreds of representatives from participating pavilions at World Expo Center on Saturday evening, October 30th, 2010.
Indonesia Pavilion was represented by Pavilion Deputy Commissioner General Ms. Hesti Endah Kresnarini and Pavilion Cultural Deputy Director and Exhibit Display Designer Ms. Pincky Sudarman. “This is totally unexpected, a big surprise for everyone of us,” Ms. Pincky Sudarman said as she delivered the trophy to other members of Indonesia Pavilion team. “We thank the Shanghai World Expo organizers, all the visitors of our pavilion, the partners and supporters of the pavilion, for making Indonesia’s presence a remarkabe success,” added Ms. Hesti Endah Kresnarini.
The selection of the best Creative Display is based, among others, on thecriteria of pavilion’s interior design, exhibit presentation, and narrative relevance to the World Expo 2010 overall theme of “Better City, Better Life”.
An award panel of juries — consisting of nine experts in architecture, urban planning and expos — led by the International Exhibitions Bureau Awards Committee has selected the best pavilions of official participating countries and participating inter-governmental organizations during the six-month event, which began on May 1st and closes on October 31st, 2010. The award scheme comprises Gold, Silver and Bronze winners respectively for Theme Development, Creative Display and Pavilion Design in four categories: 4,000-meter Self-built Pavilions, Smaller Self-built Pavilions, Rented Pavilions, and Joint Pavilions.
Complete list of winners in Indonesia Pavilion category of Large Self-built Pavilions (4,000 meters plot of land):
•Theme Development
•GOLD – Germany Pavilion
•SILVER – Russia Pavilion
•BRONZE – France Pavilion
•Creative Display
•GOLD – Saudi Arabia Pavilion
•SILVER – Japan Pavilion
•BRONZE – Indonesia Pavilion
•Pavilion Design
•GOLD – United Kingdom Pavilion
•SILVER – Korea Pavilion
•BRONZE – Spain Pavilion
In total four pavilion categories (Large Self-built, Small Self-built, Rented, and Joint), there are 36 winners. Indonesia is one of 198 countries participating in record-breaking World Expo in Shanghai which has drawn more than 72 million visitors. According to the organizers, the event closes without fireworks or carnavals. It will be a quiet good bye.
Hi, i was there to visit Malaysia Pavillion. Sorry to say , just bad, lousy, not creative …. ,The Malaysia representative there don;t speak english or mandarin. Malaysia has no better people to represent Malaysia ???
One of the worst Pavillion is Malaysia
Wow, this is amazing. Indonesians and Malaysians both the same, both capable of shamelessly bringing the cultural feud to a worldwide audience!!
hideous pavilion anyways… so plastic and unoriginal.
INDONESIANS.. chill out. Im indonesian, and a continually learning architect. and i think Indonesian just dosn’t take care of our culture properly. Whereas, malaysian does. And yeah i agree… its hideous anyways hahaha. so many printed decoratives. so c’mon guys we are both melayu race, so just take it easy. be smart! this is a worldwide forum. GROW UP nerds.
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5:14 AM Aug 26th
Ini dia Malaysia Pavilion yang sangat mirip dengan Rumah Gadang –> http://bit.ly/dxGPha