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		<title>By: Strang Architecture</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/22597/montecito-residence-oska-architects/#comment-1658629</link>
		<dc:creator>Strang Architecture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;A dramatic house inspired by the landscape @ArchDaily http://t.co/acRTrIWe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">A dramatic house inspired by the landscape @ArchDaily <a href="http://t.co/acRTrIWe" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/acRTrIWe</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 08:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with branding. Just how we persuaded we are to accept it.</description>
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		<title>By: jlbr</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/22597/montecito-residence-oska-architects/#comment-32577</link>
		<dc:creator>jlbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Terry Glenn Phipps: The line dividing &quot;coherent artistic expression&quot; and design-branding could very well be, quite thin. The judgment and critique of an architect&#039;s ouvre is, undoubtedly, a subjective action, and the concept of &quot;coherent artistic expression&quot;, while we are at it, seems to me to be a rather vague and intangible expression, while design-branding, on the other hand, is an undeniable phenomenon, the case of say, Frank Gehry, being an obvious one and whether that is the case of OSKA architects or not, is open to discussion.

While I admire the work of OSKA A LOT, I was merely putting forth the idea that they do seem to be, in my very humble opinion, sometimes falling into a certain practice of using many of the same elements, materials and visual language for their projects, and I guess that OSKA archs. being full of obviously talented people, and me admiring their work, was expecting to see a challenging and novel architectural concept that i had not seen before from them. I was being too demanding and smug, but &quot;Yeah but sniping&quot;, however, is not my attitude at all, and you completely misunderstood it.

To put it more literally, Hammer House, Hill House, and Montecito and Rolling Huts projects by OSKA (for instance) seem, IMHO, to be speaking a very similar lingua franca, especially for the &quot;thrust-out&quot; roof elements, and laying out underneath rather orthogonal rooms, similitude in materials,etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Terry Glenn Phipps: The line dividing &#8220;coherent artistic expression&#8221; and design-branding could very well be, quite thin. The judgment and critique of an architect&#8217;s ouvre is, undoubtedly, a subjective action, and the concept of &#8220;coherent artistic expression&#8221;, while we are at it, seems to me to be a rather vague and intangible expression, while design-branding, on the other hand, is an undeniable phenomenon, the case of say, Frank Gehry, being an obvious one and whether that is the case of OSKA architects or not, is open to discussion.</p>
<p>While I admire the work of OSKA A LOT, I was merely putting forth the idea that they do seem to be, in my very humble opinion, sometimes falling into a certain practice of using many of the same elements, materials and visual language for their projects, and I guess that OSKA archs. being full of obviously talented people, and me admiring their work, was expecting to see a challenging and novel architectural concept that i had not seen before from them. I was being too demanding and smug, but &#8220;Yeah but sniping&#8221;, however, is not my attitude at all, and you completely misunderstood it.</p>
<p>To put it more literally, Hammer House, Hill House, and Montecito and Rolling Huts projects by OSKA (for instance) seem, IMHO, to be speaking a very similar lingua franca, especially for the &#8220;thrust-out&#8221; roof elements, and laying out underneath rather orthogonal rooms, similitude in materials,etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Comitant</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/22597/montecito-residence-oska-architects/#comment-32534</link>
		<dc:creator>Comitant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Bo.  I would want a window over my sink, reducing glare.  

As for the sheared trapezoid plan...why isn&#039;t there a garden space in the pocket formed?  The dining room should open onto this outdoor pocket, making the hallway somewhat useful.  I&#039;d invert the kitchen-fireplace in plan.  This would make the fireplace area more enclosed, maybe even heating the internal walls, and give more light to the kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bo.  I would want a window over my sink, reducing glare.  </p>
<p>As for the sheared trapezoid plan&#8230;why isn&#8217;t there a garden space in the pocket formed?  The dining room should open onto this outdoor pocket, making the hallway somewhat useful.  I&#8217;d invert the kitchen-fireplace in plan.  This would make the fireplace area more enclosed, maybe even heating the internal walls, and give more light to the kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Coherent artistic expression&quot; ... doesn&#039;t that apply to almost everything? And if you do this x-number of times, it becomes a brand (loosely). I feel &quot;expression&quot; should be more robustly challenged and technically precise. This house reminds me of R. Serra&#039;s obsession with COR-TEN steel - it is his trademark. There I am doubtful that it is an asset to a house, for where it is more an asset is in a shipyard, as that is where Serra had expressed his inspiration for the use of steel sheet was acquired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Coherent artistic expression&#8221; &#8230; doesn&#8217;t that apply to almost everything? And if you do this x-number of times, it becomes a brand (loosely). I feel &#8220;expression&#8221; should be more robustly challenged and technically precise. This house reminds me of R. Serra&#8217;s obsession with COR-TEN steel &#8211; it is his trademark. There I am doubtful that it is an asset to a house, for where it is more an asset is in a shipyard, as that is where Serra had expressed his inspiration for the use of steel sheet was acquired.</p>
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		<title>By: utopianrobot</title>
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		<dc:creator>utopianrobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding the case study houses, i understood them to be more about prefabrication and use of inexpensive materials to produce mass housing.  this looks more like an incredibly expensive seasonal residence that captures views of the ocean.  i don&#039;t really see anything particularly inventive.  this is more like a mies van de rohe structure than the playful and optimistic experiments of the eames for example.  as for it being part of the harsh landscape, i agree, the steel is an apt metaphor and practicality, but i would have reduced the amount of glazing by at least half and relied more on a soft exterior landscape to engage the surrounding vistas (even at the expensive of a potential fire).  i think if the use of rammed earth or some other site specific materials would be more inventive or interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding the case study houses, i understood them to be more about prefabrication and use of inexpensive materials to produce mass housing.  this looks more like an incredibly expensive seasonal residence that captures views of the ocean.  i don&#8217;t really see anything particularly inventive.  this is more like a mies van de rohe structure than the playful and optimistic experiments of the eames for example.  as for it being part of the harsh landscape, i agree, the steel is an apt metaphor and practicality, but i would have reduced the amount of glazing by at least half and relied more on a soft exterior landscape to engage the surrounding vistas (even at the expensive of a potential fire).  i think if the use of rammed earth or some other site specific materials would be more inventive or interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Márcio Moreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Márcio Moreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Montecito Residence / OSKA Architects - http://whit.me/o0z8jG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Montecito Residence / OSKA Architects &#8211; <a href="http://whit.me/o0z8jG" rel="nofollow">http://whit.me/o0z8jG</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: 影子绝对零度</title>
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		<dc:creator>影子绝对零度</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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I am a building amateur, today first saw this beautiful house in here,thereupon I attempted on Google Earth look for it and the floweredseveral minute hands to find it, now I its Google Earth latitude andlongitude coordinates (34°26′ 43.34″ N 119°33′29.53″ W) issues has the interest to have a look<br />
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		<title>By: INawe</title>
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		<dc:creator>INawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bo

Seems like most of the the issues i started and questions you asked were addressed somewhat. I will agree garage connection to kitchen is a little awkward (walking through pantry/laundry room from what i can make out) but other than that i think the natural lighting in the kitchen along with the rest of the house isn&#039;t an issue. The kitchen has glass all along the southern facade and on the east side the late afternoon lights are blocked out by the large over hangs in the living area. I did see someone mention better &quot;efficiency&quot; by having glazing on the northern facades but i feel like that is only true if you are going to have central air all day. This setup is better for natural heating and lighting. As for natural ventilation i think that it could possibly work with a few windows and sliding doors open but that is a slippery slope. 

anyways, i&#039;m done for the day. if any of you live in san diego the 9 Architects Mix is opening tomorrow at the Museum of Contemporary Art in La Jolla. Should be a lot of fun. :)</description>
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<p>Seems like most of the the issues i started and questions you asked were addressed somewhat. I will agree garage connection to kitchen is a little awkward (walking through pantry/laundry room from what i can make out) but other than that i think the natural lighting in the kitchen along with the rest of the house isn&#8217;t an issue. The kitchen has glass all along the southern facade and on the east side the late afternoon lights are blocked out by the large over hangs in the living area. I did see someone mention better &#8220;efficiency&#8221; by having glazing on the northern facades but i feel like that is only true if you are going to have central air all day. This setup is better for natural heating and lighting. As for natural ventilation i think that it could possibly work with a few windows and sliding doors open but that is a slippery slope. </p>
<p>anyways, i&#8217;m done for the day. if any of you live in san diego the 9 Architects Mix is opening tomorrow at the Museum of Contemporary Art in La Jolla. Should be a lot of fun. :)</p>
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		<title>By: NW</title>
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		<dc:creator>NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;more cali dream(house)in&#039; RT@archdaily: Montecito Residence / OSKA Architects: Location: Montecito, .. http://tinyurl.com/qe3of6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">more cali dream(house)in&#8217; RT@archdaily: Montecito Residence / OSKA Architects: Location: Montecito, .. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/qe3of6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qe3of6</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bo Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TGP
Thanks for joining... by the way - hasn&#039;t FLW said: &quot;Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.&quot;? Whatever is being said about him, he was a Great Architect...</description>
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Thanks for joining&#8230; by the way &#8211; hasn&#8217;t FLW said: &#8220;Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.&#8221;? Whatever is being said about him, he was a Great Architect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Glenn Phipps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Glenn Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well here one of the great problems is clearly illustrated in the denouement and eventual devolution of discussion and criticism into an adolescent pissing match.  The more enduring problem is INawes and JLBR&#039;s commentary - that being the concept that formal invention should be prized over the development and evolution of a logical visual language.  That isn&#039;t architectural branding, it is coherent artistic expression.  

This work is outstanding as is almost everything that comes out the OSKA practice.  If this represents the evolution of case study architecture (and in a certain sense it certainly does) then I would posit that the values that John Entenza proposed for domestic architecture are absolutely worth emulating.  

The yeah-but sniping is just depressing.  There is no perfect fusion of form and function.  Every structure makes concessions to its program, to its site, to its client, and finally to its form.  

Even architects whose language was/is seemingly idiosyncratic on a project by project basis (I am thinking of John Lautner and Helene Arahuete) follow a bright line or lingua franca of material expression.  There is nothing wrong with that, it is an asset not a liability.

Terry Glenn Phipps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well here one of the great problems is clearly illustrated in the denouement and eventual devolution of discussion and criticism into an adolescent pissing match.  The more enduring problem is INawes and JLBR&#8217;s commentary &#8211; that being the concept that formal invention should be prized over the development and evolution of a logical visual language.  That isn&#8217;t architectural branding, it is coherent artistic expression.  </p>
<p>This work is outstanding as is almost everything that comes out the OSKA practice.  If this represents the evolution of case study architecture (and in a certain sense it certainly does) then I would posit that the values that John Entenza proposed for domestic architecture are absolutely worth emulating.  </p>
<p>The yeah-but sniping is just depressing.  There is no perfect fusion of form and function.  Every structure makes concessions to its program, to its site, to its client, and finally to its form.  </p>
<p>Even architects whose language was/is seemingly idiosyncratic on a project by project basis (I am thinking of John Lautner and Helene Arahuete) follow a bright line or lingua franca of material expression.  There is nothing wrong with that, it is an asset not a liability.</p>
<p>Terry Glenn Phipps</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo - did you say &quot;a source of natural light located behind his/her back&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo &#8211; did you say &#8220;a source of natural light located behind his/her back&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo - I&#039;m amazed at how you can see things beyond what is presented to us; that&#039;s ironic! There is not nothing else to say about the Montecito Residence from the photos and plan unless I&#039;ve visited or given the tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo &#8211; I&#8217;m amazed at how you can see things beyond what is presented to us; that&#8217;s ironic! There is not nothing else to say about the Montecito Residence from the photos and plan unless I&#8217;ve visited or given the tour.</p>
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		<title>By: Fino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bo

Why should I when you initially described a house that has glass all around it, which obviously doesn&#039;t apply to this particular project. Now, if you want to get back to this project, it is limiting the amount of direct sunlight without eliminating views. Shade=good. Shade=cooler temperatures of the interior. By looking at the pictures, the house obviously gets it&#039;s fair share of ambient lighting so why is artificial lighting a concern? The house obviously takes care of this.

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<p>Why should I when you initially described a house that has glass all around it, which obviously doesn&#8217;t apply to this particular project. Now, if you want to get back to this project, it is limiting the amount of direct sunlight without eliminating views. Shade=good. Shade=cooler temperatures of the interior. By looking at the pictures, the house obviously gets it&#8217;s fair share of ambient lighting so why is artificial lighting a concern? The house obviously takes care of this.</p>
<p>that is all</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@francis
Misplaced irony - looks like you have no more to say about the building...</description>
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Misplaced irony &#8211; looks like you have no more to say about the building&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo - and now you&#039;re a cook as well. You must be a legend in your own hands. Definitely the &quot;regulations&quot; guy because you have the &quot;common&quot; sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo &#8211; and now you&#8217;re a cook as well. You must be a legend in your own hands. Definitely the &#8220;regulations&#8221; guy because you have the &#8220;common&#8221; sense.</p>
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		<title>By: kupula</title>
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		<dc:creator>kupula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo, I think you are confusing the kitchen for what looks like a laundry room. The kitchen faces a huge glass wall and a great view.</description>
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		<title>By: Bo Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fino
Now... read what you wrote, apply this to the building we are talking about and let me know of your conclusion.

that&#039;s not all</description>
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Now&#8230; read what you wrote, apply this to the building we are talking about and let me know of your conclusion.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s not all</p>
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		<title>By: Fino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bo Lucky

Artificial lighting has nothing to do with it. It&#039;s the heat that comes the extreme sun angles of the east, and more crucially the west. There would be a limit on glazing on these sides, and the home would benefit better with northern glazing and protected southern glazing, thus you would locate bedrooms and the most occupied portions of the house on the northern side. Number/size/location of windows IS a crucial factor to energy efficiency. Now that&#039;s common sense

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<p>Artificial lighting has nothing to do with it. It&#8217;s the heat that comes the extreme sun angles of the east, and more crucially the west. There would be a limit on glazing on these sides, and the home would benefit better with northern glazing and protected southern glazing, thus you would locate bedrooms and the most occupied portions of the house on the northern side. Number/size/location of windows IS a crucial factor to energy efficiency. Now that&#8217;s common sense</p>
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