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		<title>By: Ralf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good design, but I dont&#039; see the &quot;hyperhang&quot; function.</description>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The connotation was definitely not the architect&#039;s. The Swedish hotel is entitled &quot;the Swan&quot; if I am not mistaken. The &quot;branding&quot; debate draws a quote from my favourite book, The Little Prince. &quot;It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. What is essential is invisible to the eye.&quot; Chapter one in the book is one to savour.

To put it simply, if I was unfortunate enough to have never used a urinal of that description or be familiar with Duchamp&#039;s work, which incidentally is named &quot;The Fountain&quot; ... would I be able to follow what you mean? Sometimes, to subject a piece of work to a levelled plane is fair, but it&#039;s the &quot;level&quot; that I want to be mindful of. Anyway, Duchamp likes word games and is an artist, far from what challenges the work of an architect, in my opinion.

Well, it&#039;s interesting to see how the world is deciphered and interpreted. However, I prefer to seek out its quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The connotation was definitely not the architect&#8217;s. The Swedish hotel is entitled &#8220;the Swan&#8221; if I am not mistaken. The &#8220;branding&#8221; debate draws a quote from my favourite book, The Little Prince. &#8220;It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. What is essential is invisible to the eye.&#8221; Chapter one in the book is one to savour.</p>
<p>To put it simply, if I was unfortunate enough to have never used a urinal of that description or be familiar with Duchamp&#8217;s work, which incidentally is named &#8220;The Fountain&#8221; &#8230; would I be able to follow what you mean? Sometimes, to subject a piece of work to a levelled plane is fair, but it&#8217;s the &#8220;level&#8221; that I want to be mindful of. Anyway, Duchamp likes word games and is an artist, far from what challenges the work of an architect, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s interesting to see how the world is deciphered and interpreted. However, I prefer to seek out its quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Glenn Phipps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Glenn Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 12:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the concept of architecture as brand device has been around for a very long time.  I made the reference to Googie or roadside architecture (I don&#039;t like the term Googie because it has a pejorative twang that is underserved) because this is, well, roadside architecture.  

There is nothing incoherent in pointing out that scale of the project has an impact.  However, taking scale entirely out of the equation there remains the brand question of why anyone would want to create the connotation of an enormous urinal for a hotel project (referenced to the Swedish hotel project previously posted).  

Finally, I strongly disagree that architectural expression is confined to its &quot;time&quot;.  Actually, worthwhile architecture ought to transcend its time.  This is what is so satisfying about modern architecture.  Modern architecture in its highest expression traced its roots to the architectural traditions of the early Greeks, certainly to the romans, and definitely to its &quot;neo&quot; moment in the renaissance.  The modernism of Mies was merely the latest expressive abstraction of classical thinking.

Terry Glenn Phipps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the concept of architecture as brand device has been around for a very long time.  I made the reference to Googie or roadside architecture (I don&#8217;t like the term Googie because it has a pejorative twang that is underserved) because this is, well, roadside architecture.  </p>
<p>There is nothing incoherent in pointing out that scale of the project has an impact.  However, taking scale entirely out of the equation there remains the brand question of why anyone would want to create the connotation of an enormous urinal for a hotel project (referenced to the Swedish hotel project previously posted).  </p>
<p>Finally, I strongly disagree that architectural expression is confined to its &#8220;time&#8221;.  Actually, worthwhile architecture ought to transcend its time.  This is what is so satisfying about modern architecture.  Modern architecture in its highest expression traced its roots to the architectural traditions of the early Greeks, certainly to the romans, and definitely to its &#8220;neo&#8221; moment in the renaissance.  The modernism of Mies was merely the latest expressive abstraction of classical thinking.</p>
<p>Terry Glenn Phipps</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I meant was that every architectural style has its own time. The style reflects situation in which it was created. Sometimes the style comes back with a prefix &quot;neo&quot; but even then, it has its own characteristcs. I also like Googie and nostalgia. I personally contributed a lot to  restoration/rehabilitation of many heritage buildings across the world. 21 century is much different from the Googie time and comparing this building to the structures raised 50-60 years earlier looks like an attempt to provide a justification to a contemporary form which does not make much sens (other than a kind of a creators&#039; statement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant was that every architectural style has its own time. The style reflects situation in which it was created. Sometimes the style comes back with a prefix &#8220;neo&#8221; but even then, it has its own characteristcs. I also like Googie and nostalgia. I personally contributed a lot to  restoration/rehabilitation of many heritage buildings across the world. 21 century is much different from the Googie time and comparing this building to the structures raised 50-60 years earlier looks like an attempt to provide a justification to a contemporary form which does not make much sens (other than a kind of a creators&#8217; statement).</p>
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		<title>By: frankc</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand it&#039;s for a steel company, but that doesn&#039;t mean you have to use the most dead and impersonal materials and shapes imaginable just for the sake of it. It looks like an architecty caricature of a warehouse. 

Just look at that overhang. It says &quot;I&#039;m there, and you can&#039;t do a damn thing about it.&quot; Maybe effective. But pretty much the opposite of sympathetic. I sure wouldn&#039;t want to drive past that on the autobahn.

Heavy, diagonal shapes always end up in nightmarish proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand it&#8217;s for a steel company, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you have to use the most dead and impersonal materials and shapes imaginable just for the sake of it. It looks like an architecty caricature of a warehouse. </p>
<p>Just look at that overhang. It says &#8220;I&#8217;m there, and you can&#8217;t do a damn thing about it.&#8221; Maybe effective. But pretty much the opposite of sympathetic. I sure wouldn&#8217;t want to drive past that on the autobahn.</p>
<p>Heavy, diagonal shapes always end up in nightmarish proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, it&#039;s contradicting - Googie reference is fine whilst &quot;homage to Duchamp&quot; is inappropriate? Unfortunately, that Duchamp reference to the hotel project was not the architect&#039;s either. Labelling architecture serve no purpose.

Bo, &quot;our world&quot;? &quot;One man&#039;s meat: another man&#039;s poison&quot; perhaps? I happen to like Googie and nostalgia. Your statement submit to Terry&#039;s statement that the factory is Googie referencing.

I am confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, it&#8217;s contradicting &#8211; Googie reference is fine whilst &#8220;homage to Duchamp&#8221; is inappropriate? Unfortunately, that Duchamp reference to the hotel project was not the architect&#8217;s either. Labelling architecture serve no purpose.</p>
<p>Bo, &#8220;our world&#8221;? &#8220;One man&#8217;s meat: another man&#8217;s poison&#8221; perhaps? I happen to like Googie and nostalgia. Your statement submit to Terry&#8217;s statement that the factory is Googie referencing.</p>
<p>I am confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Lucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Lucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Googie architecture has its charm when it survives since 1950&#039;s or 1960&#039;s. Nicely restored, it may be very attractive in a contemporary settings. Built today however, it appears to be artificial and a bit out of our world which functions in a dramaticly different circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googie architecture has its charm when it survives since 1950&#8217;s or 1960&#8217;s. Nicely restored, it may be very attractive in a contemporary settings. Built today however, it appears to be artificial and a bit out of our world which functions in a dramaticly different circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume it&#039;s to resemble a wedge of steel, and the building advertise itself? The published statement does explain. The size/depth of the canopy will make the front dark in a simple horizontal configuration and it is a solution to angle the underside, allowing light to penetrate deeper and a sight-line skyward. The hand sketches explains cross ventilation. I presume the sun nor the rain is particularly strong in Austria. This &quot;tin-shed&quot; is reasonable well done and seem effortless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume it&#8217;s to resemble a wedge of steel, and the building advertise itself? The published statement does explain. The size/depth of the canopy will make the front dark in a simple horizontal configuration and it is a solution to angle the underside, allowing light to penetrate deeper and a sight-line skyward. The hand sketches explains cross ventilation. I presume the sun nor the rain is particularly strong in Austria. This &#8220;tin-shed&#8221; is reasonable well done and seem effortless.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Glenn Phipps</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18332/ssc-voestalpine-stahl-service-center-x-architekten/#comment-27588</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Glenn Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The studio states pretty clearly that the function of the design is brand reinforcement, placing an emphasis on the &quot;soaring&quot; success of the client and providing differentiation in a neighborhood full of prefab warehouses.  

My interpretation is that there is a strong nod here to &quot;Googie&quot; (or roadside) architecture of the mid twentieth century, where the form of the structure became the meta-brand of the business it represented.  There is an excellent book by Jim Heimann called Googie that was one of the first appreciations, explorations, and documentations of this particular meme.  

Certainly here the form meets the Googie criteria nicely, especially given that it seems that this structure is visible from the nearby autobahn.  Likewise, since the function of the building is trans-modal it seems to me that the the form is consistent with past examples of railhead architecture that often have a soaring and emblematic quality.

After all, this is just a warehouse.  However, there is no reason it shouldn&#039;t look a little outrageous.  Expressive form works at this scale.  When it gets blown up to the size of a skyscraper or a museum then it starts to look ridiculous; case in point the hotel &quot;homage to Marcel Duchamp&quot; in Sweden or any recent project of O.M.A.

Terry Glenn Phipps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The studio states pretty clearly that the function of the design is brand reinforcement, placing an emphasis on the &#8220;soaring&#8221; success of the client and providing differentiation in a neighborhood full of prefab warehouses.  </p>
<p>My interpretation is that there is a strong nod here to &#8220;Googie&#8221; (or roadside) architecture of the mid twentieth century, where the form of the structure became the meta-brand of the business it represented.  There is an excellent book by Jim Heimann called Googie that was one of the first appreciations, explorations, and documentations of this particular meme.  </p>
<p>Certainly here the form meets the Googie criteria nicely, especially given that it seems that this structure is visible from the nearby autobahn.  Likewise, since the function of the building is trans-modal it seems to me that the the form is consistent with past examples of railhead architecture that often have a soaring and emblematic quality.</p>
<p>After all, this is just a warehouse.  However, there is no reason it shouldn&#8217;t look a little outrageous.  Expressive form works at this scale.  When it gets blown up to the size of a skyscraper or a museum then it starts to look ridiculous; case in point the hotel &#8220;homage to Marcel Duchamp&#8221; in Sweden or any recent project of O.M.A.</p>
<p>Terry Glenn Phipps</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good simple design but the roof overhang is a little too much in my opinion.</description>
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