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	<title>Comments on: Munch Museum and Deichman Library in Oslo competition results</title>
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		<title>By: frøken nettopp</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-1143054</link>
		<dc:creator>frøken nettopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;#Munch Museum and Deichman Library in #Oslo competition results &#124; ArchDaily http://t.co/UfY8vl2U via @archdaily&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: marianne nilsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>marianne nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;http://t.co/qXuFm0n

CANT WAIT FOR THIS !! :)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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<p>CANT WAIT FOR THIS !! :)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-207339</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t we seen that tower from Herreros before? Copy/paste? WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t we seen that tower from Herreros before? Copy/paste? WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Hilde</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-38197</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LATEST NEWS: The city&#039;s highest politicians spoke yesterday in favor of the LAMBDA project and will support the jury on the winning projects, both the new Munch Museum by Herreros Arquitectos and the new library in Oslo by Lund Hagem. Head of Culture, Torger Ødegaard, and head of City Council, Erling Lae, is all behind the project, now it will be voted on in Oslo City Parliament in August.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LATEST NEWS: The city&#8217;s highest politicians spoke yesterday in favor of the LAMBDA project and will support the jury on the winning projects, both the new Munch Museum by Herreros Arquitectos and the new library in Oslo by Lund Hagem. Head of Culture, Torger Ødegaard, and head of City Council, Erling Lae, is all behind the project, now it will be voted on in Oslo City Parliament in August.</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-31071</link>
		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.O. Tundra, I salute you. Now the politicians of the city council of Oslo have to wish Lambda welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.O. Tundra, I salute you. Now the politicians of the city council of Oslo have to wish Lambda welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: M.O. Tundra</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-30886</link>
		<dc:creator>M.O. Tundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 08:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fair first prize. 

The implementation is much more sophisticated than the rest of the contestants. A blurred piece, in height, perpendicular to the bay is a great success. 

And programmatically is visionary. A museum developed in vertical is a more contemporary concept and therefore more appropriate. 

The system of public spaces generated, in close relation with the building of the Opera, is a gift to the city of Oslo. 

Anyway, I do not know which campaign is out there to discredit this project. We should be thinking about the citizens of Oslo and not in professional rivalries and commercial ambitions. 

PS. Rex´s project blocks the view of the Opera and does not contribute to the visible image from the fiord that the city needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fair first prize. </p>
<p>The implementation is much more sophisticated than the rest of the contestants. A blurred piece, in height, perpendicular to the bay is a great success. </p>
<p>And programmatically is visionary. A museum developed in vertical is a more contemporary concept and therefore more appropriate. </p>
<p>The system of public spaces generated, in close relation with the building of the Opera, is a gift to the city of Oslo. </p>
<p>Anyway, I do not know which campaign is out there to discredit this project. We should be thinking about the citizens of Oslo and not in professional rivalries and commercial ambitions. </p>
<p>PS. Rex´s project blocks the view of the Opera and does not contribute to the visible image from the fiord that the city needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Fia Andersson</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-30743</link>
		<dc:creator>Fia Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Rocket, glad you have this enthusiasm... i really do hope you eventually channel it, i am sure you will make excellent work! and well, you have every right to say what you will. i just feel that you would achieve much more by understanding where you are in your career and, again, what you can learn from being more patient. Oslo might not be my city but have been there enough to feel that I can understand what can also be good for the city. I think there is no need to be so dramatic, i just think the Lambda piece will do well, for many many reasons, spatial, technical, environmental, programmatic, etc. and that is being proven as we speak, as I read in the press and through many tenured voices that it is becoming clearer and clearer why it was the winning submission in the end... good work often takes time to emerge... as many say, the quick-fix iconic work is dead, for now anyways... at any rate, again, I am not sure where is your &#039;criticism&#039; that Kaffilaura refers to, at least for me, criticism is more than just spitting out things like &#039;shit&#039;, &#039;corrupt&#039;, &#039;drunk&#039;... it really sounds like one of those foaming-at-the-mouth hecklers that accomplish nothing and become nothing else than a sad punchline... please do think about why you feel that way, articulate it, and perhaps, who knows, even give explanations or examples of what you think are better options other than obscure references like 1927... I mean, I am as much of a fan of Charles Lindbergh as the next, but it would be far more productive to incite dialogue, not destroy it... but then again, maybe in the end that&#039;s not the point of this bloggin´world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Rocket, glad you have this enthusiasm&#8230; i really do hope you eventually channel it, i am sure you will make excellent work! and well, you have every right to say what you will. i just feel that you would achieve much more by understanding where you are in your career and, again, what you can learn from being more patient. Oslo might not be my city but have been there enough to feel that I can understand what can also be good for the city. I think there is no need to be so dramatic, i just think the Lambda piece will do well, for many many reasons, spatial, technical, environmental, programmatic, etc. and that is being proven as we speak, as I read in the press and through many tenured voices that it is becoming clearer and clearer why it was the winning submission in the end&#8230; good work often takes time to emerge&#8230; as many say, the quick-fix iconic work is dead, for now anyways&#8230; at any rate, again, I am not sure where is your &#8216;criticism&#8217; that Kaffilaura refers to, at least for me, criticism is more than just spitting out things like &#8216;shit&#8217;, &#8216;corrupt&#8217;, &#8216;drunk&#8217;&#8230; it really sounds like one of those foaming-at-the-mouth hecklers that accomplish nothing and become nothing else than a sad punchline&#8230; please do think about why you feel that way, articulate it, and perhaps, who knows, even give explanations or examples of what you think are better options other than obscure references like 1927&#8230; I mean, I am as much of a fan of Charles Lindbergh as the next, but it would be far more productive to incite dialogue, not destroy it&#8230; but then again, maybe in the end that&#8217;s not the point of this bloggin´world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mestiq</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-30565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mestiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange that the moderator allowed the follow-up post to my first comment, as it was in the first comment that all my main points were made. If the moderator doesn&#039;t want to allow that initial comment, he might as well have deleted the follow-up comment as well. And now, you might just as well delete both this comment and the one above. I guess I should just give up commenting here at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange that the moderator allowed the follow-up post to my first comment, as it was in the first comment that all my main points were made. If the moderator doesn&#8217;t want to allow that initial comment, he might as well have deleted the follow-up comment as well. And now, you might just as well delete both this comment and the one above. I guess I should just give up commenting here at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mestiq</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-30401</link>
		<dc:creator>Mestiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addition to previous comment: Maybe the word &quot;shit&quot; is a bit strong, and I apologize to Herreros or any possible fan of the project, if there are any(?). But well, I didn&#039;t find any other good way to describe it, it just felt short, simple and &quot;to the point&quot; to use this word to try to convey my opinion. Again, if anyone were offended, I apologize for that. But honestly, this project is strange and as I see it, not at all fitting for the location, or the intended use of the building/project. 

I honestly cannot &quot;read&quot; or understand it. Must be some kind of architects strange thinking that makes this project &quot;good&quot; in any way..... Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition to previous comment: Maybe the word &#8220;shit&#8221; is a bit strong, and I apologize to Herreros or any possible fan of the project, if there are any(?). But well, I didn&#8217;t find any other good way to describe it, it just felt short, simple and &#8220;to the point&#8221; to use this word to try to convey my opinion. Again, if anyone were offended, I apologize for that. But honestly, this project is strange and as I see it, not at all fitting for the location, or the intended use of the building/project. </p>
<p>I honestly cannot &#8220;read&#8221; or understand it. Must be some kind of architects strange thinking that makes this project &#8220;good&#8221; in any way&#8230;.. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket Valentino</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-30045</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Valentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 10:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to disappoint you, Fia Andersson, but I will not hold back my frustration regarding grotesque architecture intruding my life in my own city. Neither now nor later in my career. The toes of the architect are so important to how we live our lives, how we move and feel, that they must more than any other toes be challenged by being stepped on over and over again. How else will we as architects evolve? When I see something that I think is totally shit, I will say so. Architects must be able to cope with that (also the prinicipal of my school, who was in the jury). I can not tame my overwhelming enthusiasm for architecture, and have no intention of stepping carefully simply because somebody finds it ‘silly’ (especially not in blogs such as this).

I don&#039;t understand why you keep comparing it to the Rex proposal, and suggesting that any of the commentators work there – Rex has been mentioned once (by &#039;Oslo&#039;). I totally agree in most of your critique against Yin Yang, such as &#039;the Rex mutation of the Neue National Gallerie and the Met in NYC is a little too nostaligic post-mo for my taste&#039;, and &#039;i do like some aspects of Rex’s playful programmatic ideas in relationship to challenging the autonomy of art, but in the end it completely fell short in the fiscal, mechanical and environmental realities of what the jury and the city are looking for, really, i mean look at their sections…&#039;.  Yes, yes and oh yes.

Thank you, Kaffilaura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to disappoint you, Fia Andersson, but I will not hold back my frustration regarding grotesque architecture intruding my life in my own city. Neither now nor later in my career. The toes of the architect are so important to how we live our lives, how we move and feel, that they must more than any other toes be challenged by being stepped on over and over again. How else will we as architects evolve? When I see something that I think is totally shit, I will say so. Architects must be able to cope with that (also the prinicipal of my school, who was in the jury). I can not tame my overwhelming enthusiasm for architecture, and have no intention of stepping carefully simply because somebody finds it ‘silly’ (especially not in blogs such as this).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you keep comparing it to the Rex proposal, and suggesting that any of the commentators work there – Rex has been mentioned once (by &#8216;Oslo&#8217;). I totally agree in most of your critique against Yin Yang, such as &#8216;the Rex mutation of the Neue National Gallerie and the Met in NYC is a little too nostaligic post-mo for my taste&#8217;, and &#8216;i do like some aspects of Rex’s playful programmatic ideas in relationship to challenging the autonomy of art, but in the end it completely fell short in the fiscal, mechanical and environmental realities of what the jury and the city are looking for, really, i mean look at their sections…&#8217;.  Yes, yes and oh yes.</p>
<p>Thank you, Kaffilaura.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffilaura</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-26604</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffilaura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well placed pinch of criticism is adequate for this proposal, even if its from a second year student.</description>
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		<title>By: Fia Andersson</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-25045</link>
		<dc:creator>Fia Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and... &quot;This is outrageous! ‘Lambda’ and ‘Girls on the Bridge’ were some of the worst projects in the competition. The jury (including the principal at The Oslo School of Architecture (!!!)) must have been drunk or corrupt.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and&#8230; &#8220;This is outrageous! ‘Lambda’ and ‘Girls on the Bridge’ were some of the worst projects in the competition. The jury (including the principal at The Oslo School of Architecture (!!!)) must have been drunk or corrupt.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fia Andersson</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-25009</link>
		<dc:creator>Fia Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Rocket, second year student, the way you spoke about the jury earlier, well, you really sounded like a seasoned authority... i also wish you good luck, as I hope you can rethink how you should talk and personally attack architects (herreros and jury) considering you have a while to go to become one... about honesty, well, i am always a bit skeptical when i see these kinds of over-the-top aggressions that fall way short of being actual critiques, so, yes the comment was a bit cynical. First, if architects were censored for using techniques, visual, formal and mechanical, they used before, such as Herreros and his own Woermann Bld, then we would all be out of business... really, ask around. Second, in the end i think the conversation about the tower in relationship to the horizontal Opera is very interesting... i guess you have to decide, in this case, whether the Opera is complimented by this urban form or challenged... i sense that Herreros felt that his small 6 or 8 story (not sure, but it seems) tower indeed followed the profile of the Opera´s ramps and thus raised a shape that would compliment and contrast a balance in the landscape... in my view and i suspect the jury´s, Rex´s comes into the water a bit too severely becoming a bit self-referential by canceling the Opera&#039;s own similar, horizontal form... and in the end the language of this watered down brutalism via some half-measured postmodernism is hardly experimental as a museum space... i mean i could say, sounds more like good&#039;ol Phillip Johnson, cocaine-90´s to me, but then i would sound more like you;)... but kidding aside, i do like some aspects of Rex´s playful programmatic ideas in relationship to challenging the autonomy of art, but in the end it completely felt short in the fiscal, mechanical and environmental realities of what the jury and the city are looking for, really, i mean look at their sections... and for that i believe the jury had a contemporary expectation of what the project should be. the bonfire of flagrant, uninformed, egotrips is over, the actuality of fabricating a building, buildings that are in par with the fiscal and environmental interest of a community is prescient and with certainty you will see more of it. So, Rocket, it seems like we all hope that you continue to partake in the public dialogue, as we also hope you have a bit more patience to learn more about the not-so-obvious intricacies of making a building, before you say something as silly as - &quot;By the way, check out the ‘woermann’ project by Herreros here on their homepage. Apartment building at the Canary Islands, a museum for Munch in the far north - same shit? SHAME ON YOU, HERREROS! But the jury deserves much worse. This is shocking.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Rocket, second year student, the way you spoke about the jury earlier, well, you really sounded like a seasoned authority&#8230; i also wish you good luck, as I hope you can rethink how you should talk and personally attack architects (herreros and jury) considering you have a while to go to become one&#8230; about honesty, well, i am always a bit skeptical when i see these kinds of over-the-top aggressions that fall way short of being actual critiques, so, yes the comment was a bit cynical. First, if architects were censored for using techniques, visual, formal and mechanical, they used before, such as Herreros and his own Woermann Bld, then we would all be out of business&#8230; really, ask around. Second, in the end i think the conversation about the tower in relationship to the horizontal Opera is very interesting&#8230; i guess you have to decide, in this case, whether the Opera is complimented by this urban form or challenged&#8230; i sense that Herreros felt that his small 6 or 8 story (not sure, but it seems) tower indeed followed the profile of the Opera´s ramps and thus raised a shape that would compliment and contrast a balance in the landscape&#8230; in my view and i suspect the jury´s, Rex´s comes into the water a bit too severely becoming a bit self-referential by canceling the Opera&#8217;s own similar, horizontal form&#8230; and in the end the language of this watered down brutalism via some half-measured postmodernism is hardly experimental as a museum space&#8230; i mean i could say, sounds more like good&#8217;ol Phillip Johnson, cocaine-90´s to me, but then i would sound more like you;)&#8230; but kidding aside, i do like some aspects of Rex´s playful programmatic ideas in relationship to challenging the autonomy of art, but in the end it completely felt short in the fiscal, mechanical and environmental realities of what the jury and the city are looking for, really, i mean look at their sections&#8230; and for that i believe the jury had a contemporary expectation of what the project should be. the bonfire of flagrant, uninformed, egotrips is over, the actuality of fabricating a building, buildings that are in par with the fiscal and environmental interest of a community is prescient and with certainty you will see more of it. So, Rocket, it seems like we all hope that you continue to partake in the public dialogue, as we also hope you have a bit more patience to learn more about the not-so-obvious intricacies of making a building, before you say something as silly as &#8211; &#8220;By the way, check out the ‘woermann’ project by Herreros here on their homepage. Apartment building at the Canary Islands, a museum for Munch in the far north &#8211; same shit? SHAME ON YOU, HERREROS! But the jury deserves much worse. This is shocking.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-24848</link>
		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just benchmarked the bottom. There&#039;s a bright future for you out there, kid.</description>
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		<title>By: Rocket Valentino</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-24847</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Valentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha! Thank you for giving me exactly the response I was expecting. Comparing me with a 5 year old as a response to critique... You are such a cliché...

I am not working at a threatened little, local office. I&#039;m a student. Second year, if you care.
I think you&#039;ve just established who&#039;s the 5 year old... Good luck to you too (I hope nobody ever questions your empty nonsense again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha! Thank you for giving me exactly the response I was expecting. Comparing me with a 5 year old as a response to critique&#8230; You are such a cliché&#8230;</p>
<p>I am not working at a threatened little, local office. I&#8217;m a student. Second year, if you care.<br />
I think you&#8217;ve just established who&#8217;s the 5 year old&#8230; Good luck to you too (I hope nobody ever questions your empty nonsense again).</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-24822</link>
		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocket Valentino, working out of some threatened little local office, or what? Get your brain in shape and learn to articulate something else than a 5yo&#039;s frustration. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket Valentino, working out of some threatened little local office, or what? Get your brain in shape and learn to articulate something else than a 5yo&#8217;s frustration. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Munch Museum/Deichman Library competition entries &#124; Inspiration &#38; Ideas Feeders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Munch Museum/Deichman Library competition entries &#124; Inspiration &#38; Ideas Feeders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just featured the winners for the Munch Museum and Deichman Library competitions in Oslo. See all the entries for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rocket Valentino</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-24565</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Valentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get over the petty local agenda? What on earth is that supposed to mean? This is not Dubai or Beijing, - Oslo is not a playground for architects who intend merely to masturbate their own ego and see what that might result in. It is also not 1927, so yes, I expect architecture to be precisely LOCAL. That Herreros (almost) always start with the skyscraper, as you say (assuming that you are employed there, I trust you know) is just sad. I have nothing against the skyscraper as such, but if the arguments for this are &quot;sectionality, hierarchy and ordered functionality&quot; it seems clear that these people have a very limited imagination. 

&quot;Skyscraper is not a genre. It is a vessel.&quot; My God... I must applaud you, NM, you have an impressive way of using many words to say absolutely nothing. 

That being said, the museum as a machine is an intriguing and fascinating concept. But the link between the skyscraper, the machine and the truthfulness is simply non-existing. Throwing lots of empty words inbetween them does not help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get over the petty local agenda? What on earth is that supposed to mean? This is not Dubai or Beijing, &#8211; Oslo is not a playground for architects who intend merely to masturbate their own ego and see what that might result in. It is also not 1927, so yes, I expect architecture to be precisely LOCAL. That Herreros (almost) always start with the skyscraper, as you say (assuming that you are employed there, I trust you know) is just sad. I have nothing against the skyscraper as such, but if the arguments for this are &#8220;sectionality, hierarchy and ordered functionality&#8221; it seems clear that these people have a very limited imagination. </p>
<p>&#8220;Skyscraper is not a genre. It is a vessel.&#8221; My God&#8230; I must applaud you, NM, you have an impressive way of using many words to say absolutely nothing. </p>
<p>That being said, the museum as a machine is an intriguing and fascinating concept. But the link between the skyscraper, the machine and the truthfulness is simply non-existing. Throwing lots of empty words inbetween them does not help.</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocket Valentino - get over the petty local agenda, and try to perceive this with a fresh set of eyes. Skyscraper constitutes the point of departure for almost every herreros project, and just because it is tilted like the Woermann, it&#039;s not even close to sharing any common features with it. Skyscraper is not a genre. It is a vessel. It does not only have a facade and a topography, but also a sectionality, a hierarchy, an ordered functionality that, if you care to take interest, speaks volumes on the way we live, function, and think. Reworking the generic form with the purpose of making this functionality not only implicit and instrumental but also explicit and performative, is a gesture highly deserving of a cultural building for the 21st century. So, to answer your question : yes, I endorse a building that proposes a museum as a machine - because arts and culture are parts of that big machine churning on. This is a truthful architecture, not a squeamish one. Rise up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket Valentino &#8211; get over the petty local agenda, and try to perceive this with a fresh set of eyes. Skyscraper constitutes the point of departure for almost every herreros project, and just because it is tilted like the Woermann, it&#8217;s not even close to sharing any common features with it. Skyscraper is not a genre. It is a vessel. It does not only have a facade and a topography, but also a sectionality, a hierarchy, an ordered functionality that, if you care to take interest, speaks volumes on the way we live, function, and think. Reworking the generic form with the purpose of making this functionality not only implicit and instrumental but also explicit and performative, is a gesture highly deserving of a cultural building for the 21st century. So, to answer your question : yes, I endorse a building that proposes a museum as a machine &#8211; because arts and culture are parts of that big machine churning on. This is a truthful architecture, not a squeamish one. Rise up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket Valentino</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/18091/munch-museum-and-deichman-library-in-oslo-competition-results/#comment-23574</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Valentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NM, you ask why a museum should look like a sculpture (a just question, indeed), and why it shouldn&#039;t look like a skyscraper. Well, why should it look like a skyscraper? That is not clear to me. You don&#039;t want it to look like a &quot;modernist temple&quot;, but &quot;the most generic of modernist buildings: the skyscraper&quot; is ok? How what why?

I do believe that you are correct in the fact that &quot;the point is not originality of form&quot;, considering the fact that the shape is almost identical to their apartment block &quot;Woerman&quot; at Gran Canaria. They just added some wavey glass they saw on their study trip to Porto. Only problem is that they put it on the wrong way, so that it will collect dirt and sea salt nicely.

The fact that it counterbalances its surroundings in shape and intransparancy is bullshit. It is a continuation of the BARCODE plan north of the plot, which consists of more of these glass towers that require enormous amounts of energy to keep warm in winter and cool in summer. However, Herreros mangaged to place the other buildings of their project PERPENDICULAR to the BARCODE line and their own museum, creating a wall between the city and the sea (they seem very consistent in demonstrating that they haven&#039;t understood the context at all).

Yes, it does free a lot of area. I think that&#039;s the reason they won. Now the owners of the plot (HAV eiendom) have lots of square meters to sell out for further development. Yey.

Fia: You have no right assuming that people are dishonest merely because they don&#039;t like this building.

Jesus, this building brings out the worst in me! I shall have to finish with something positive, and want to praise Ghilardi+Hellsten for their MSK project. Nice work! I also think the winner of the Deichmann Library will turn out very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NM, you ask why a museum should look like a sculpture (a just question, indeed), and why it shouldn&#8217;t look like a skyscraper. Well, why should it look like a skyscraper? That is not clear to me. You don&#8217;t want it to look like a &#8220;modernist temple&#8221;, but &#8220;the most generic of modernist buildings: the skyscraper&#8221; is ok? How what why?</p>
<p>I do believe that you are correct in the fact that &#8220;the point is not originality of form&#8221;, considering the fact that the shape is almost identical to their apartment block &#8220;Woerman&#8221; at Gran Canaria. They just added some wavey glass they saw on their study trip to Porto. Only problem is that they put it on the wrong way, so that it will collect dirt and sea salt nicely.</p>
<p>The fact that it counterbalances its surroundings in shape and intransparancy is bullshit. It is a continuation of the BARCODE plan north of the plot, which consists of more of these glass towers that require enormous amounts of energy to keep warm in winter and cool in summer. However, Herreros mangaged to place the other buildings of their project PERPENDICULAR to the BARCODE line and their own museum, creating a wall between the city and the sea (they seem very consistent in demonstrating that they haven&#8217;t understood the context at all).</p>
<p>Yes, it does free a lot of area. I think that&#8217;s the reason they won. Now the owners of the plot (HAV eiendom) have lots of square meters to sell out for further development. Yey.</p>
<p>Fia: You have no right assuming that people are dishonest merely because they don&#8217;t like this building.</p>
<p>Jesus, this building brings out the worst in me! I shall have to finish with something positive, and want to praise Ghilardi+Hellsten for their MSK project. Nice work! I also think the winner of the Deichmann Library will turn out very nice.</p>
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