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	<title>Comments on: ORDOS 100 #12: RSVP</title>
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		<title>By: John P. Bauer</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-682652</link>
		<dc:creator>John P. Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another 4 letter word office trying to get on magazine covers... Long Live Emptytecture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another 4 letter word office trying to get on magazine covers&#8230; Long Live Emptytecture!</p>
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		<title>By: Mota</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-134973</link>
		<dc:creator>Mota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like cristiano ronaldo house in benavente, portugal by eduardo souto moura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like cristiano ronaldo house in benavente, portugal by eduardo souto moura</p>
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		<title>By: threads</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-98197</link>
		<dc:creator>threads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lack of control, and agreed, plans are totally unreadable. the overall concept of such a house is interesting but the central mobius-like fold is too forced and formally underdeveloped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lack of control, and agreed, plans are totally unreadable. the overall concept of such a house is interesting but the central mobius-like fold is too forced and formally underdeveloped.</p>
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		<title>By: John D. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-97899</link>
		<dc:creator>John D. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how Mr. García defends this project given the fact that he worked on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how Mr. García defends this project given the fact that he worked on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FLW</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-97881</link>
		<dc:creator>FLW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People only criticize, they never create&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People only criticize, they never create&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-31307</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>architecture is boring,
so is ORDOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>architecture is boring,<br />
so is ORDOS.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Magazine #19 - Style of Design</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-25454</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Magazine #19 - Style of Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] projects from around the world: Zira Island by BIG, the Taipei Performing Arts Center by OMA, Villa Long (ORDOS 100) by RSVP and the Crematorium by Plan 01. Also projects by Zaha Hadid, Manuelle Gautrand, Piercy Conner, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] projects from around the world: Zira Island by BIG, the Taipei Performing Arts Center by OMA, Villa Long (ORDOS 100) by RSVP and the Crematorium by Plan 01. Also projects by Zaha Hadid, Manuelle Gautrand, Piercy Conner, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-15070</link>
		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>previous should have read...
&#039;Amen!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>previous should have read&#8230;<br />
&#8216;Amen!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-15069</link>
		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>men</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>men</p>
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		<title>By: arrrr...</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-15040</link>
		<dc:creator>arrrr...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so sad....saw the physical model @ the architecture league and  it was a unfortunate attempt of a model... i learned something  a long  time ago... if you cant even build a  model don&#039;t bother... so lets not bother discussing  this project... it is  predictable and a simplistic attempt to understand  3d software. Let others do the job when you simply either  dont have time or  simply technology is way ahead of you ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so sad&#8230;.saw the physical model @ the architecture league and  it was a unfortunate attempt of a model&#8230; i learned something  a long  time ago&#8230; if you cant even build a  model don&#8217;t bother&#8230; so lets not bother discussing  this project&#8230; it is  predictable and a simplistic attempt to understand  3d software. Let others do the job when you simply either  dont have time or  simply technology is way ahead of you &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frankie Hayward</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-158374</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankie Hayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;I love this design http://tinyurl.com/d5wpsh what do you think? Is it livable?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">I love this design <a href="http://tinyurl.com/d5wpsh" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/d5wpsh</a> what do you think? Is it livable?</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. García</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14115</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. García</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Smith: I can assure you, I am not. And that is a way to escape from intellectual discussion, arguing &quot;it&#039;s a conspirancy&quot;. That is the easy way. In order to have an intellectual discussion we have to start from the point that we are all qualified to have, pardon the redundancy, an intellectual discussion. Because if we don’t assume that, everybody will start pointing fingers instead of proposing ideas and postures. So if I say that you are part of the design team of other house and you are jealous, then I wont be taking into account wherever good ideas you could argue.

Mr. Freq: Interesting points. But at the end of the day the discussion lays in an ontological discussion. Because if we consider Architecture with a capital &quot;A&quot; to be product of experimentation like what the masters of the avant-garde have done, then we will consider the implications of the design process. If otherwise we consider architecture to be a 100% environment dependant discipline, we will be judging it in different ways. Now in another point, I believe the value of architecture could lie in the process, the ideas or the building. A perfect act of architecture includes all three. But that happens not so frequent, and also we cannot impose our way of seeing things to everybody. Now, in my view a sustainable building is not necessary architecture. And architecture is not necessarily sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Smith: I can assure you, I am not. And that is a way to escape from intellectual discussion, arguing &#8220;it&#8217;s a conspirancy&#8221;. That is the easy way. In order to have an intellectual discussion we have to start from the point that we are all qualified to have, pardon the redundancy, an intellectual discussion. Because if we don’t assume that, everybody will start pointing fingers instead of proposing ideas and postures. So if I say that you are part of the design team of other house and you are jealous, then I wont be taking into account wherever good ideas you could argue.</p>
<p>Mr. Freq: Interesting points. But at the end of the day the discussion lays in an ontological discussion. Because if we consider Architecture with a capital &#8220;A&#8221; to be product of experimentation like what the masters of the avant-garde have done, then we will consider the implications of the design process. If otherwise we consider architecture to be a 100% environment dependant discipline, we will be judging it in different ways. Now in another point, I believe the value of architecture could lie in the process, the ideas or the building. A perfect act of architecture includes all three. But that happens not so frequent, and also we cannot impose our way of seeing things to everybody. Now, in my view a sustainable building is not necessary architecture. And architecture is not necessarily sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. García</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14114</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. García</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Smith: I can assure you, I am not. And that is a way to escape from intellectual discussion, arguing &quot;it&#039;s a conspirancy&quot;. That is the easy way. In order to have an intellectual discussion we have to start from the point that we are all qualified to have, pardon the redundancy, an intellectual discussion. Because if we don’t assume that, everybody will start pointing fingers instead of proposing ideas and postures. So if I say that you are part of the design team of other house and you are jealous, then I wont be taking into account wherever good ideas you could argue.
Mr. Freq: Interesting points. But at the end of the day the discussion lays in an ontological discussion. Because if we consider Architecture with a capital &quot;A&quot; to be product of experimentation like what the masters of the avant-garde have done, then we will consider the implications of the design process. If otherwise we consider architecture to be a 100% environment dependant discipline, we will be judging it in different ways. Now in another point, I believe the value of architecture could lie in the process, the ideas or the building. A perfect act of architecture includes all three. But that happens not so frequent, and also we cannot impose our way of seeing things to everybody. Now, in my view a sustainable building is not necessary architecture. And architecture is not necessarily sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Smith: I can assure you, I am not. And that is a way to escape from intellectual discussion, arguing &#8220;it&#8217;s a conspirancy&#8221;. That is the easy way. In order to have an intellectual discussion we have to start from the point that we are all qualified to have, pardon the redundancy, an intellectual discussion. Because if we don’t assume that, everybody will start pointing fingers instead of proposing ideas and postures. So if I say that you are part of the design team of other house and you are jealous, then I wont be taking into account wherever good ideas you could argue.<br />
Mr. Freq: Interesting points. But at the end of the day the discussion lays in an ontological discussion. Because if we consider Architecture with a capital &#8220;A&#8221; to be product of experimentation like what the masters of the avant-garde have done, then we will consider the implications of the design process. If otherwise we consider architecture to be a 100% environment dependant discipline, we will be judging it in different ways. Now in another point, I believe the value of architecture could lie in the process, the ideas or the building. A perfect act of architecture includes all three. But that happens not so frequent, and also we cannot impose our way of seeing things to everybody. Now, in my view a sustainable building is not necessary architecture. And architecture is not necessarily sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14110</link>
		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cummon, are you practicing architects? can you make sense of the plans? ergonomics? just start playing with some software and you get those results, but its just play! case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cummon, are you practicing architects? can you make sense of the plans? ergonomics? just start playing with some software and you get those results, but its just play! case closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14091</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know... Mr. Garcia&#039;s comments really strike a dissonant chord in this discusion. Could it be that he really sees something that escape us all in this odd looking, lamely rationalized digital artifact. I wont try to engage you in a futile argument concerning this particular project. I think the most reasonable thing to do here is to conclude that Mr. García&#039;s grievances may stem from the fact that he had something to do with the development of this project. Now, how is that for a disqualifying, conspiracy theory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230; Mr. Garcia&#8217;s comments really strike a dissonant chord in this discusion. Could it be that he really sees something that escape us all in this odd looking, lamely rationalized digital artifact. I wont try to engage you in a futile argument concerning this particular project. I think the most reasonable thing to do here is to conclude that Mr. García&#8217;s grievances may stem from the fact that he had something to do with the development of this project. Now, how is that for a disqualifying, conspiracy theory?</p>
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		<title>By: freq</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14079</link>
		<dc:creator>freq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, I agree with your argument - yet it is set in the sort of positive fiction that I mentioned previously. Indeed in the knowledge-based scenario you describe, which is a very interesting thought, form would indeed be free. it is a state we all strive to attain, I would venture to guess. But in the vast majority of projects, if we chose to take a degree of environmental responsibility, our formal options become more limited due to the building &amp; commercial culture constraints that I tried to enumerate. 

Also, and at the risk of further muddying the waters, what would be the &quot;optimal&quot; performance? And who can really tell that there isn&#039;t, in fact, an &quot;optimal&quot; solution that wasn&#039;t reached and simply isn&#039;t known? I believe with the upcoming &quot;green grab&quot; that will label every single project with cross - vent windows as &quot;bioclimatic&quot;, &quot;sustainable&quot; and &quot;optimal&quot;, we&#039;ll run the risk as a profession of further debasing our credibility in a bad mixture of verbal (eco-)hyperbole, bold (untested) statements and irresponsible claims to fame forming a cacophony of vanity. Now adding to formal Archispeak, we have ArchiGreenSpeak like this quoted from the project description:

&quot;We are also proposing green systems like geothermal and low consume artifacts to ensure a minimal environmental impact and energy consumption.&quot;

So, all is well, then, yes! Amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I agree with your argument &#8211; yet it is set in the sort of positive fiction that I mentioned previously. Indeed in the knowledge-based scenario you describe, which is a very interesting thought, form would indeed be free. it is a state we all strive to attain, I would venture to guess. But in the vast majority of projects, if we chose to take a degree of environmental responsibility, our formal options become more limited due to the building &amp; commercial culture constraints that I tried to enumerate. </p>
<p>Also, and at the risk of further muddying the waters, what would be the &#8220;optimal&#8221; performance? And who can really tell that there isn&#8217;t, in fact, an &#8220;optimal&#8221; solution that wasn&#8217;t reached and simply isn&#8217;t known? I believe with the upcoming &#8220;green grab&#8221; that will label every single project with cross &#8211; vent windows as &#8220;bioclimatic&#8221;, &#8220;sustainable&#8221; and &#8220;optimal&#8221;, we&#8217;ll run the risk as a profession of further debasing our credibility in a bad mixture of verbal (eco-)hyperbole, bold (untested) statements and irresponsible claims to fame forming a cacophony of vanity. Now adding to formal Archispeak, we have ArchiGreenSpeak like this quoted from the project description:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are also proposing green systems like geothermal and low consume artifacts to ensure a minimal environmental impact and energy consumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, all is well, then, yes! Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. García</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14078</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. García</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freq: interesting point, but I’m insisting in the statement. Sustainability and ecology are not related to form, even more when we see the methods by which architecture is designed aujourd&#039;hui. In one side computer aided design like this house, can achieve a harmony with its context in an almost infinite array of forms. As long as the designer knows how to take advantage of the site and/or make a contribution to it he is free to decide which form he is going to utilize. On the other hand we can see as an example the &quot;dutch way&quot; of designing with foam models. Ducth architecture is known for experimenting with forms. They can basically do whatever form they want, but the technical knowledge allows them to achieve optimum performance. So in these terms the form is free. But the consideration for important and necessary issues such as spatiality and sustainability are not “form” related, but knowledge related. That’s why I think this is a good example of good experimental architecture in a place where architecture was aiming to be experimental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freq: interesting point, but I’m insisting in the statement. Sustainability and ecology are not related to form, even more when we see the methods by which architecture is designed aujourd&#8217;hui. In one side computer aided design like this house, can achieve a harmony with its context in an almost infinite array of forms. As long as the designer knows how to take advantage of the site and/or make a contribution to it he is free to decide which form he is going to utilize. On the other hand we can see as an example the &#8220;dutch way&#8221; of designing with foam models. Ducth architecture is known for experimenting with forms. They can basically do whatever form they want, but the technical knowledge allows them to achieve optimum performance. So in these terms the form is free. But the consideration for important and necessary issues such as spatiality and sustainability are not “form” related, but knowledge related. That’s why I think this is a good example of good experimental architecture in a place where architecture was aiming to be experimental.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. García</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14040</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. García</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im understand clearly what Ala meant.
@Carlo: Im just having an argument with somebody who&#039;s second sentence was &quot;Pardon? Are you serious?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im understand clearly what Ala meant.<br />
@Carlo: Im just having an argument with somebody who&#8217;s second sentence was &#8220;Pardon? Are you serious?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: freq</title>
		<link>http://www.archdaily.com/12260/ordos-100-12-rsvp/#comment-14038</link>
		<dc:creator>freq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sustainability and ecology are not related to form&quot;

you are seriously mistaken to make such a blanket statement. 

while from a purely intellectual view this may be intuitively correct (à la &quot;the form doesn&#039;t matter, only what materials we build it with&quot;), upon closer inspection of building culture constraints (cost &amp; efficiency, material availability, context of building site etc.) the argument fails - take, for example, Ken Yeang&#039;s argument that the skyscraper will never be sustainable in a deep-green mode of thinking, despite years of effort of many practices to greenwash them. Simply put, its scale is its ecological downfall - and scale is but one dimension of form. 

What many here are criticizing is formalism, and seeing its effects in the work discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sustainability and ecology are not related to form&#8221;</p>
<p>you are seriously mistaken to make such a blanket statement. </p>
<p>while from a purely intellectual view this may be intuitively correct (à la &#8220;the form doesn&#8217;t matter, only what materials we build it with&#8221;), upon closer inspection of building culture constraints (cost &amp; efficiency, material availability, context of building site etc.) the argument fails &#8211; take, for example, Ken Yeang&#8217;s argument that the skyscraper will never be sustainable in a deep-green mode of thinking, despite years of effort of many practices to greenwash them. Simply put, its scale is its ecological downfall &#8211; and scale is but one dimension of form. </p>
<p>What many here are criticizing is formalism, and seeing its effects in the work discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr Garcia, easy...

Luigi Snozzi: &quot;Every intervention requires destruction, destroy with reason!&quot;
(Ogni intervento presuppone una distruzione, distruggi con senno.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr Garcia, easy&#8230;</p>
<p>Luigi Snozzi: &#8220;Every intervention requires destruction, destroy with reason!&#8221;<br />
(Ogni intervento presuppone una distruzione, distruggi con senno.)</p>
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