Comments on: ORDOS 100 #8: R&Sie(n)

By: Nappy

Nappy — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:55:30 +0000

Cool..interesting..not a box.
Plus Francois Roche is a true artist.

By: Alby

Alby — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:49:54 +0000

Ferdynand Ossendowski, Beast, Men and Gods… love this book… and i appreciate the project as well

By: Cesar Castro

Cesar Castro — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:10:14 +0000

The whole ORDOS is a joke. A very bad one by the way.

By: Kim

Kim — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:23:01 +0000

Frix, thank you for your comment, that’s what I was expecting from you, a real debated opinion, and references to your argumentation. I really appreciate you are talking about Fernand Pouillon as I really enjoyed “Les Pierres Sauvages”.

I think the time have change now, and we can’t talk any more about a conflict between the Ancients and the Moderns. It is an obsolete way of reading contemporary architecture and is actually a very Modern and Post modern perception of Architecture.

Time have change, and some architects are actually going back to mathematics and old way of seing the profession that were condemned by the likes of Corbusier and P.Johnson or even Mies.
Notice for exemple that someone like Villard de Honnecourt, D’Arcy Wentworth Thompson (On Growth and Form), Gottfried Semperas as well as Loos and Gaudi, are evocated by Francois Roche, Michael Hensel & Achim Menge(Ocean), Lars Spuybroek, Greg Lynn, or even Patrick Schumacher (Z.Hadid), for their relationship, their geometrical discoveries to the construction process.

It is not anymore a question of new and old, or even re-invention, but continuity of practice that were perceived as dead end by the Moderns. In that way it is not a Post modern approach, because it is not dealing with the representation of the clash between the new and history, nor it is a Neo-modern attempt by eradicating the old school.

I think your reading of the work of Roche is mixed up.

By: ica

ica — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:13:01 +0000

I THINK this project is a joke.

By: Frix

Frix — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:36:23 +0000

Kim, what have I to do better?? Don’t understand. U really think the mesh shown on the render has something to do with advance construction method?? I see just a painfull and laborious answer to “how to build my fantasy world”, no more… It’s OK cause mister Jiang Yuan has many bucks to spend in his pharaonic dream, but there’s really none of “advance” in that scheme, it’s an archaic way to realise a falsely modern idea.
I’ve read other post u wrote on some other projects, and it seems to me your look on “what is new and what is not” would be sharper if you didnt trust so much your knowledge…
Let me tell you about another precursor you dont talk about, called Fernand Pouillon. As great inventors you evoque, he was an outsider in Modern architecture, absolutely exclued of history manuals. Having a first look at his realisations, there ’s nothing specilally new in his architecture. I’m pretty sure you will explain me he belongs to a passeist vision of making housing. Anyway, none of other french architect at his time answered as well as he did to the housing crysis in france and North Africa; he made many more housings than others, faster, cheaper, larger, and never ignoring the place he was acting in. Projects he made are nothing more than extremly classical, but the way he made them exactly represent the “renewing construction industry” you’re talking about.
What i’m trying to say through this example is the very relative aspect of novelty in architecture. Architecture has none to see with making a product, you can’t compare it with producing televisions, micro owens or cars. I think the desperate will of Mister Roche -and others- to do something that doesnt look like architecture is a non-issue path. Never in the history architecture has been re-invented, it’s a just modern religion to think we can do without considering millenairs of architecture improvement. The best Francois Roche will reach this way is making contemporary art, just have a look at projects he really realised… but i dont consider his work making performing issues about BTP’s lack of efficiency. He just refuses to answer true questions and condamn himself to act in some very spectacular context.

By: roadkill

roadkill — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:35:56 +0000

judging by the amount of crap that comes out of your mouth the only danger you all present is to high levels of unemployment… bless

By: Kim

Kim — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:41:58 +0000

Frix, you can do better. Peut mieux faire.

Contemporary Art, just get out a little bit of your Post
Modern rethoric, (your website is full of PoMo obsolete and decadent, boring, “Ready-Made-to-be-thrown-to-the-Garbage-of-contemporary-history” art) it is not about the cultural representation of a building, but about a territorial invetigation out of a narrative. Sorry for being rude, but have a look at that:
http://www.suckerpunchdaily.com/

Roadkill, you are just too predictable, you started to insult people about their bourgeois taste, and now you are taking about high moral ground…man, I don’t care about moral, I am not your father. Just stick out your finger out of your bum and update your obsolete knowledge about architecture. Soon hundred thousands of kids are going to make you redundant.

By: nzl

nzl — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:13:29 +0000

will we be able to stand more of the pure waste of talents, energy and ressources this ordos thing looks like?
I wonder how it could “give life to our profession”, as kim says. It might just kill it for good by lack of a minimum social and ethical consciousness.Ordos or the seven cardinal sins of contemporary architecture ?
Lust: flirt only with the rich and famous
Gluttony: accept any commission
Greed: never share, defend your territory as a stronghold
Sloth: revamp old ideas over and over
Wrath: insult and humiliate those who question your deeds
Envy: for all those who were not chosen
Pride: advertise what you do as unique, new and unreachble to others

By: roadkill

roadkill — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:45:39 +0000

kim… you’re just pretentious and clueless – the ‘moral high ground’ must be a lonely place hey?!